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    Posted: June 09 2007 at 3:04pm
Ok just to clearify I am Jerry's next door neighbor and this happend to me today. June 9, 2007. I was unable to register so he let me post under his name...mabey a bad mistake on his part because I am steaming mad.....

Extremly Mad right now !!! Purchased a new addition for the tank from Fish4U....(a cleaner shrimp) aclimated the shrimp through a 20 min float for temp, then a added 1/2 cup of my water every 5 minuts (I'm sure you know the rest). After introducing the new shrimp, he swam for a couple of minutes....I walked away to grab a drink.....45 minutes later the wife asks whats wrong.....to make a long story short it was dead.

Returned the shrimp to Fish4U within two hours.....only to be told that there was something wrong with my tank....and so began the testing.......in four months I haven't lost a thing.

In my tank I have:
4 fish (anthias and chromis), or 6 corals (yuma's, ricordias, zoa, Kenya)


The test showed the Parameters as follows:

Temp 78.4
pH 8.2
SG 1.025
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 20ppm
Phosphate 0
Alkalinity 8 dKH
Ca 450
Mg 1300
Iodine .06

They refused to exchange or refund. They tried to tell me since I floated him for 20 minutes that there wasn't enough oxygen in the bag for him to survive........I was under the impression that fish and other saltwater creatures are shipped over night, every day of the year thus being in a bag longer than 20 mins.......they then said that if you don't drip acclimate shrimp, they will die every time (what a joke)!!!! After pulling teeth for about an hour they decided to give me 50% off a replacment..........I am still not happy with having to pay for the replacement......but he is still alive and doing fine in my tank after 2 hours......go figure........

I used to be a loyal customer of Fish4U, but I will never give them business again!!!

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Fish4U

Until they quarantine or offer a 15 day return policy.......we will buy from Vividaquariums.com and suggest you do the same.........Lets teach the LFSs that they can't treat their customers this way.......

Boycott LFSs, espcially Fish4U, until the garrantee/return policy is improved.....



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I've always been extremely happy with Chris at fish4u. Is this who you talked to? Did you bring your tank water in to have them test it on your return trip?

If you don't think that 50% exchange on saltwater livestock is fair then You should look around at most stores.  50% is common and some shops offer no guarantee.

Flaming posts about LFS is not productive IMO. Without the LFS we have only the internet to turn to and everyone has heard horror stories about that.


I'm sorry that the shrimp died. I'm glad that your new one is doing fine. But with saltwater fish tanks you need to have a bit thicker skin. Things are going to die, acclimation is hard on  livestock. That is just how this hobby works. We are a landlocked state so it takes a lot to get livestock here. It is certainly not the LFS fault that the shrimp died.
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I'm sorry this happened to you. I lost a shrimp one time and believe it was because when I set the bag on the car seat the corner of the bag folded and pinched the shrimp. It is hard for me to believe they could have done something wrong that would have caused the shrimp to die so suddenly. It is necessary IMHO to drip acclimate shrimp. I have always been happy with Fish4U and will continue to shop there along with many of the other great Local Fish Stores we have here in the valley. Again I am sorry for your loss.
 
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I'm also sorry this happened, but it's a frustrating to hear you bemoan an experience from a store that most regard as one of the best fish stores around, especially for those of us in the northern half of the salt lake valley.  Chris knows his stuff.

They do state their policy on livestock returns, and it is on par with the market.

If you think losing a cleaner shrimp is upsetting, talk to a few board members about things they've lost - it might help to put things in perspective.
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I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
 
I still recommend people to shop there, and I'll be spending lots more of my money with Fish 4 U.
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I think you are on the wrong message board if you want to complain about fish4U.  However, you can get plenty of sympathy for your loss because it's happened to all of us.  Most stores have a "No Guarantee" on their saltwater livestock.  But I would rather take the chance getting it from a LFS than from a bag through the mail.  The LFS already takes the risk of losing fish every time they get a shipment in.  Better them than me.
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It does suck to lose things but thats just part of the hobby. Not much you can do. I've been lucky and have only lost a few minor things right off the bat but thats just the risk I assume by dealing with saltwater creatures which really shouldn't be anywhere near Utah to begin with (what ocean do we live by again?). Overall I think you should just suck this one up and if you really don't want to shop there again I guess that is your choice.
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i agree fish-4-u is great. who knows why it died. It is part of the hobby, if i blamed the store for everything I lost I would have no where to shop.Flaming stores is not cool IMO. A NAZI??? careful some one may take offense, That is a harsh statement.


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I am sorry for your loss but I agree with what has been said by the other posts.  We bought 2 peppermint shrimp from fsh 4 u a while back and within 4 hours they were dead.  We were mad but what do you do?  We went in to fish 4 u about a week later and bought some more stuff and told Kerrie (sp?) what had happened.  We weren't looking for a refund, just talking about the tank, she was the one that had sold us the shrimps and said that they had been a trade in that day.  She felt so bad she gave us 2 new shrimp.  She didn't have to do that nor did we expect it but we are grateful that she did.  I think that most of us in this hobby know that with Salt Water there really is no guarantee.  I hate losing money but can you imagine being a LFS and refunding money every time a fish died?  There is no way they could.  Everyone's water is different, everyone acclimates different,  it would just be too hard.   Again I am sorry for your loss, but I don't think blaming a LFS is the answer.  It could've happened to a fish from anywhere. 
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Be glad it wasnt a 250.00 acro you bought on line. Thats what happened to me & I still shop @ that site... Just part of this hobby.. Good luck in the future..
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Wow!!! my neighbor sure hit a nerve......

I realize that some of his comments were harsh....and the comment about Nazis was over the line.....I have talked to Chris hundreds of times and have to say he is a great guy that knows alot about fish tanks.....

I am not defending my neighbor on alot of his comments.....but he has a point about the garantee, or lack there of, that almost all the stores in Salt Lake don't offer.....From most online stores they give you a 15 day....I just hope that here in Utah someone will step up and do the same.....

I have spent over $1,300.00 at Fish4U in the last 3 months, and have also spent over $1,000.00 buying from Vivid in that same time.....I had two clowns die that I ordered from Vivid, and they replaced them free of charge.....I had one fish I bought from Fish4U bring cotton mouth into my tank, it died after a week, and about two weeks later the cotton mouth killed a Blue Tang, I had had in my tank for over a year...I tried to treat them for it to save them, but it didn't help.....I placed a quarantine tank on my system with a UV steralizer on the return line......and treated the tang in that tank for the two weeks until he died..

So I understand the frustration my nieghbor feels when a LFS doesn't have a quarantine system or garantee.....

Amie I have bought alot from online stores and they offer a 15 day garantee....so there is no 'chance', when getting it in a "bag through the mail"...I like my chances with 15 days...I have taken advantage of that garrantee twice in the last three months....also in one order I wasn't happy with the color on one of the corals I bought and they refunded half my money and let me keep the coral......in short I like the customer service offered by Vividaquariums.com......

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I just got off the phone with my neighbor and got some more info on the story....

Like I thought it was not Chris or Kari that helped him....neither of them were even there.....it was the other girl who is always there......whom I might add has been rude to me on more than one occation.......I am sure that if he had been dealing with Chris this would not have been such a big issue.....

I also went and removed part of the name of the topic for everyones good.......

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Well I was just at Fish 4 U and talked to Chris and Amber (the girl that is always there) - but they told me that your neighbor got another cleaner shrimp for $10.

Fish4U has been a great supporter of the club and I guess that's why everyone is jumping in to defend them.  There are always bad and good experiences be it with lfs and online.  But if you let the store resolve the issue instead of ignoring you then it's a good business. 

To me it seems like Fish4U did their best to resolve the situation - more than a lot of stores would. 


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Not to compare or try to one up but to make this guy feel better you could have been my uncle who spent $270 each on some wrasses and they died within a few days. The culprit? A blasted sixline wrasse! 2 of his jumped and the other 2 disappeared!
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P.S. I will never buy a fish online. . . I rather see it in the store swimming around and eating 
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I agree. I will never buy anything but dry goods online. I prefer to see my livestock in person before purchase.... but thats just my opinion.
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Just my .02 cents.
 
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF SALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Quit winning like a little girl. Ive had several fatalities on the way home. You got it home and in the tank. Be happy for that. IMO you are lucky you got anything from FISH4YOU. If you've been in the Hobie for anytime longer than a day you know that salt has no GUARANTEE. Should I complain to my LFS cause my freaking Ray just ate my black clown?
 
You left the tank to get a drink. You don't know if someone in your tank attacked it or not. Get a grip dude. Fish4 you is one of the finest LFS's in the valley and does not deserve to be flamed because you THINK its there fault.
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Aquatica offers a full money back guarantee within 3 days of purchase.  I thought all fish stores did, guess not. Props to Aquatica.  May be a bit of a drive for you, though. 
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i agree with everyone else on the board (amber) at fish 4 u is always very helpful and never rude to me or anyone that i have seen .i think you need to realize what hobby your in and stop crying like a baby .fish 4 U is one of my favorite lfs and it really upsets me that you are bashing them . i hope you never go back so they dont have to deal with rude people like you imo
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I think FISH-4-U is one of the best stores in the valley, you must be very new to the hobby not to have experienced something like that. Get used to it, and like Dion said, "welcome to the world of Salt!" rather than boycotting the Store it seems you have succeeding in increasing our support and patronage of Fish-4-U. Hope you live and learn. Chris and the gang there are great!!!Big%20smile!!ClapThumbs%20Up
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