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    Posted: January 01 2011 at 8:48pm
I am new to SPS corals and so I don't know what to do here. I just got my first hard corals about 3 weeks ago but I noticed last night that some are beginning to go white. I assume they are dying. These are under MH lights, which are getting old. Any help would be great! My levels are the following:
Ca- 415 PPM
PH- 8.3
Ammonia- 0
Nitrite- 0
Nitrate- 15-20
KH/ALK- 9.0 dKH or 3.2 meq/L

To be honest I have a hard time trusting the Nitrates, but maybe I should...





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did you acclimated them to the lighting? what is your Magnesium levels? they dont look like they are bleaching. perhaps it is being stung by the anemone the first SPS.


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I did not really acclimate them to the lighting, they are all about mid-tank. I don't think the first is being stung, but I will move it just in case. I do not know my Mg, I do not have a test kit yet for that. I'll move them all down on the bottom hopefully that will help. Thank you SGH360, I appreciate it.
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I would check your mg as well. High nitrates can be a problem with SPS as can phosphates. Eitther of these will irritate SPS corals. What is the current temp of your system? SPS need very stable systems or they die easily and quickly. Are they showing any signs of RTN?
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I will get my Mg tested today. What is RTN? My temp stays pretty stable at 77-78 degrees.
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Mg was 1260 so I'm raising everything and re-adjusting everything today. Do you guys feed SPS and if so, what?
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Right off, I don't see a problem. Can you post a full tank pic please?
RTN stands for Rapid Tissue Necrosis.
SPS really don't need any special feeding but lighting and water conditions are the most important facets of keeping them.
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I agree with Mark. You don't HAVE to feed them (I do for increased growth). The main thing with SPS is stability, large or rapid swings in any of your major water params will cause a lot of headache when you're trying to keep SPS. How much flow are they getting? Flow is also very important.
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Do you want high flow? I'll try to get a full tank shot in the morning.
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How old are your bulbs?
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I'm guessing they are about a year old, they came with this tank so I don't know....
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I don't know...but maybe I have bad eyes....they look pretty normal to me....hard to tell unless you have some progression pics of what they use to look like....
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Im with bur01014 on this and Mark. I dont see anything wrong. its only been 3 weeks. Is there color just not as vibrant as when you saw them from where they came from? If they arent dying then I wouldnt worry about it yet. But do test Mg that is a great helper!
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They don't look too bad. All corals morph a little with new lights.

Bulbs over a year old usually need to be replaced.
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Some of the corals are dying, no doubt. Some are fine, and some are half dying. I'll post a pic tonight when I get home. I agree, I do need to get new bulbs. I will also go get the Mg tested again today.
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My Mg level actually dropped despite dosing almost an entire bottle of Mg. Sean at Aquatica told me tonight that some of my problem may be the fact that I have been dosing Mg and Alk too close to each other....
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Reading again through this entire thread, I have to say that it is suffering from a lack of detail.
We have yet to see a full tank picQuestion
We don't know what level the Mg dropped toQuestion
What size of bottle of what Mg supplementQuestion
And frankly, this statement is confusing, "problem may be...dosing Mg and Alk too close to each other...." Is this saying that ALL the Mg in that bottle AND MORE has precipitated out of solution before being utilized by the coralQuestion [Confused unlikely]
And is it also saying that that the Alk also preciptatedQuestion [again unlikely]
What level did the Alk drop toQuestion
Truth is, a Mg level of 1260 ppm isn't low enough to cause a problem anyway, by itself.
In the only pics posted, the coral look fine.
Sorry, but we cannot help solve a problem that we cannot see. There is probably something else going on in this aquarium, but how will we know? Confused
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My opinion:

-Corals are fine, they color morph slightly as they get use to your lights and system, I definitely don't see any bleaching...
 
-Dumped a whole bottle of mg, in the course of a couple days..wow...be careful, go slowly when messing with levels
 
-Sounds like you need to try a different mg test kit, yours could be bad....
 
-Maybe do several smaller water changes the next week, I always do this when something is wrong with corals and I can't figure it out.....smaller waterchanges daily seems to help me always...
 
-In the mean time, be patient, give those corals a month or two and see how they do, one reason I am not worried is that you have some SPS pics in there....when an SPS dies, boy do they go fast...obviously nothing is seriously wrong because your SPS corals would be done for by now....as in completely white....
 
-Finally, explore other reasons you are not happy with the way your corals look...how are your other corals doing?  Look closely at them....flatworms, bugs, anything on them?  Use a flashlight at night....what is your stock?  Got a fish or something picking at them?  I would search these pathways for the problem, since your corals aren't dieing, they may just be irritated by something, then again, still see nothing wrong
 
 


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Ok, sorry for the delay, school started this week.... It took about a week to dose about 250 g of Mg, well within the tolerances specified on the bottle. My Mg dropped from 1260 to 1170. Mark- I made the mistake of mixing my Mg and Alk in the same container (about 3 cups of water) and dripped them in my tank over the course of a day. Not smart I now know. It would have been easier to tell whether they fully precipitated if they weren't both white to begin with. It was suggested to me from a reefer to just do slightly larger water changes (approx 15%) every week and see how the parameters turn out. I think at this point that is what I am going to try to do. Is it true that some just don't make it when you transfer them? I appreciate all of your help!



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Very pretty tank. Not sure if there is a powerhead somewhere that i cant see, but another one or two would definately help with flow. Also, im not sure if those are some of your sps pieces on the top left of the rock, but that rbta seems to be well within reach to sting them if they are. 
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