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Topic: Cloudy water.. Posted: March 23 2011 at 2:34pm |
The water in my 10g nano has gotten pretty cloudy over the past week.   It has really been noticable since the green (I assume coraline algea) started growing on the rocks. I did some searching in the forums here and passed on feeding last night and won't feed again tonight. Anything else that I can do? Here are the current tank stats: 10g nano ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 0 Don't know calcium or alk levels yet.. Went to the store and was shocked at the price of the test kit, so I will take some water in this evening and have them do the test. 2 small to med clown fish 1 small bicolor blenny 8 snails 3 hermit crabs several small coral frags including zoas, mushrooms, and 1 larger hammer coral as you can see in the pics, macroalgae I've only been feeding 1/4 cube of mysis shrimp once per day, so I didn't think I was overfeeding. Nothing has died in the tank as far as I can tell.
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 2:37pm |
How long has the tank been set up? Looks like an algae bloom from the different organisms catching up to the die off in a new tank and an excess of nutrients from die off and feeding. Go a couple or 3 days without feeding.
Also, what do you have for filtration on the tank?
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 2:39pm |
It's almost 2 months old at this point. Just using natural filtration, macroalgae etc.
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 5:44pm |
Phytoplankton  I wouldn't worry about it unless it gets much greener. Sometimes it dies off on it's own. Single celled algae,
phytoplankton, is the best way to ensure good water quality. The algae
has bloomed because it is eating the N compounds in the water. That's why
N is all zero. When it gets too green it can be a nuisance. Come over
and get some Rotifers from me. Rotifers are the best natural way to eat
up the phyto. I would add them after the lights go off so they can begin
eating the phyto before being eaten themselves by the Clownfish.
If the Rotifers get eaten too fast before they eat the phyto, the next
best option is a UV Sterilizer. You can borrow one from someone here.  OR You could spend some serious money on a Clam. Algae is part of their diet so they naturally strain it out of the water. After it eats the live phyto you could continue feeding it with BSD brand Phyto Paste. This has happened twice before in tanks that I have set up. Here's a pic of a 75 that was cleared by three Clams. (The skimmer didn't do a thing.)  
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 10:21pm |
mm.. rotifers didn't seem to help Mark.. Still greener today... Anyone have a UV sterilizer I could borrow?
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 10:34pm |
I do. Where are you located?
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 10:38pm |
I'm in West Jordan..
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 11:05pm |
Hmmm, not heading that way that I know of. I'm in Centerville if you want to come out sometime.
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 11:24pm |
Would doing a very large water change help? Or will it just bloom again?
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 11:29pm |
I'd say both. If you do an 80% change it will immediately look better. But in 3 days be just as bad. But from when I've seen this people have had great success with uv. In fact I keep a little 9 watt uv around just for something like this.
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Posted: March 25 2011 at 12:26am |
Adam, If I haven't found one in Utah or SL county by tomorrow afternoon, I'll drive up the centerville and pick one up tomorrow.. Is there anyone further south with a UV filter that I can borrow?
Am I in danger of losing any of the fish?
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Posted: March 25 2011 at 12:28am |
And would leaving lights off help??
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Posted: March 25 2011 at 8:23am |
I know this may seem a little crazy but this phyto bloom is actually very healthy for the tank and if left to
itself may reach a point where it starves itself and crashes leaving everything better off.  The fish will be fine and leaving the lights off would definitely help. In fact leaving the lights off and covering the tank in complete darkness for a couple days would help the phyto die and could give the rotifers a chance to eat it up. Water changes feed algae, but a UV Sterilizer is a sure thing and works very quickly.
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Posted: April 05 2011 at 12:14am |
OK, so I borrowed a UV filter from Adam. After about 4 days: kaching! Clear water.. Took the UV filter out and cleaned it up ready to give back to Adam. But almost immediately red cyano algae started forming on the sand. Now almost a week later, the water's starting to get cloudy again as well. Obviously, something is still out of kilter. I've cut back feeding even more to 1/8th a cube of mysis every other day. I'm wondering if I just don't have enough filtration. The bio filter is ok, but I just don't think it's keeping up.. I was thinkin I should maybe pick up a filter... I was looking at this one..
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3579+3584+18381&pcatid=18381
It has a built in overflow, the filter and then a pump with dual flexible nozzles.. That way I can adjust the flow to go over the sand to help keep it clean and another to point at the surface.
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Posted: April 05 2011 at 12:18am |
Filters generate nitrates. They don't harbor the bacteria that convert nitrate into free nitrogen which are anaerobic. They simply convert nitrite into nitrate which then in turn grows algae and cyano. I would try and get some oolitic sand from someone on the board and put pockets of it at the bottom of your sandbed. This will give anaerobes a place to grow and metabolize nitrates.
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Posted: April 05 2011 at 12:22am |
I would also up the flow, you could get a couple koralia nano's cheap from someone on the board and improve water movement without causing more nitrates.
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Posted: April 06 2011 at 2:36pm |
I agree with Steve. A big NO to that filter. I often use a temporary HOB filter in my small tanks. The best thing a HOB (hang on the back) filter does is mechanical filtration. That is, it removes particles of food and waste before the biofiltration has to deal with it. Secondly it is a good place run AC for 2 weeks/month. Also note that this is a new tank and that there is the tendancy to move too fast to fill up a tank with fish that overload the biofiltration that is still in it's infancy. There is still a lot of maturation needed. Cyano is not bad but I suspect that it and the cloudiness may be due to overfeeding. Are there more fish than the Clowns and Bicolor Blenny? To gage the feeding by parts of a cube is how we sometimes describe it, but in actual practice feeding should be based on how much we feed the fish and still maintain clean water with no algae problems. I would stop all feeding for 4 days and feed half as much after that. This allows the biofiltration to catch up and is not bad for the fish either.  With six females I don't suppose there is too much mothering going on in that house, is there? Mothers love to be sure we get enough to eat. No offense intended, but women tend to overfeed an aquarium. Gotta love 'em.
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Posted: April 06 2011 at 4:20pm |
Nope, no additional fish.. Just the three. I did pick up a small clam as you suggested as well as a few new frags. Looking forward to picking up more tomorrow night.
I still wonder if I have too many snails. Something you said when I was at your place Mark, really made me think. You said that if the snails are out during the day actively grazing then there are probably too many. I'd say my snails never stop.
I don't think anyone else is feeding the fish.. They know that is pretty much my job.
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Posted: April 07 2011 at 9:13am |
Then I would stop feeding immediately. I'm sorry but buying frags tonight is also something I would not do. The addition of organisms will not help and will probably hurt the situation.
Though my thread of initial suggestions to hobbyists is that they can have a reef tank up and running in a week, what it looks like I'm failing to say is at that point the new hobbyist should go slow. Once there is a coral or two and a fish or two, we must give the biological filtration the time it needs to mature. The small amount of LS and LR needs to grow to fill the space. Don't be surprised that I keep moving faster than I advise you to do. My method involves continuous adding of more biological filtration by acquiring and adding more LS and LR, moved submerged to ensure no bumps in the process.
If that new clam is healthy it will eat algae but not bacteria. If it is not healthy, it is adding to the bacterial bloom because some of it's flesh is decomposing even though it may still look okay.
The cloudy water is bacteria blooming because it can. The biological filtration via bacteria in LR and LS is inadequate for the bio-load. Stop the feeding and leave the tank alone for a month. The bloom will die back and the water will clear. After waiting 4 days, feed less than half what you have been feeding. Just for your info, I'd guess that I feed an amount equal to 1/2 cube to all 8 adult fish and 9 baby Clownfish (though the babies get a second feeding of freeze dried Cyclops). That's in about 150 gals of tank capacity with tons of bugs eating up any leftovers. That may help you put feeding into perspective.
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Posted: April 07 2011 at 12:39pm |
 no frags for shad tonight?  I thought I was being patient.. Well I still need to come up to give Adam back his UV filters. Maybe I could talk someone into babysitting any frags that I see that I MUST have..
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