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    Posted: April 28 2011 at 10:11pm
As I put the final touchs on my 40 breeder tank stand design, I'm considering how to get power in to all the equipment in the sump, to the lights, etc.  I'd like it to be organized, and safe.  So, I'm tright to figure out what power strip(s) to use and where to place it/them. 
 
So I'm curious, how do you have the power into your stands?  Can anyone post pictures of how yours is done?
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Oh man I'd be embarrassed to post photos of my electrical setup.  LOL

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 American DJ PC-100A 8 Channel Power Strip with Lighted Toggles
http://www.amazon.com/American-DJ-PC-100A-Channel-Lighted/dp/B0002GL50Q


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Adam, mine is not much better.  Just really cramped.

However, a few things to consider.  First is you need to have a GFI electrical outlet for the tank.  This is important so you don't cause an electrical fire.  Also when you plug things in make sure to make a drip loop.  It is just letting the cords hang lower than the outlet to help prevent water from getting into the outlet.  Also another consideration is that since most tanks draw a good amount of current, it is a good idea to have it on its own circuit breaker.
 
As far as power strips go, I just went with the cheep ones.  The timers that I use came with the lights, execpt for the one that runs my refugium lights (again a cheep one).  I did find that a few of the 1:3 outlets were necessary to help me plug the rest of the stuff in.
 
Picture of my cramped electrical nightmare in my stand.
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like jcoulter said American DJ PC-100A 8 Channel Power Strip with Lighted Toggles
they work great I bought two of them and you can mount them so when you open you door they are on top and you just push buttons to turn thing off and on
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Many of us use the cheap, 2 for $5 powerstrips just like Richard. All electrical is safe when set up properly as explained briefly below.

Turning things off and on is needed so infrequently that unplugging is simple, especially if you have secured the powerstrip to the stand. To secure it, simply remove two corner screws and drill out the two screw holes, one on each end of the powerstrip. Use a long grabber screw through each new hole to secure it to the wood frame. Place the powerstrip as high as possible even underneath facing down from the stand ceiling if you can.

The most common cause for failure that I have seen is powerstrips that sit on the floor of the stand where leaking water drips right into the plug.


Oh and be sure there is enough cord to reach from the powerstrip out and around to the wall outlet. I use butt end connectors wrapped with electrical tape to splice in more cord length to the cheap powerstrips.

If you do the electrical cleanly and neatly, you will never need to worry about a thing. I have never used a GFCI because they turn things off when they shouldn't be turned off. You should also know that they don't work unless also installed is a grounding probe in the water. Don't be overly worried about this. Like I said, if you put it together cleanly and neatly, you'll never have a problem. For whatever reason (probably lack of knowledge), people don't treat electricity with enough care and respect. Then they think that some kind of safety feature will save their messy a$$ setup. Wink

+  keep it clean, neat and away from places where water could reach a connection
+  tie up loose cords
+  pay attention to a loose connection and fix it immediately
+  if you hear a crackling or popping sound when the plug is jiggled use another outlet
+  Fix it immediately or don't use it.

I tie up extra lengths of power cord and often install screws or hooks in the ceiling of the stand to secure power cords up and out of the way. I avoid wrapping cords around piping below the bulkheads that if a leak occurred could send a trickle of water down along the power cord right into an external pump.

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Quote Feel free to come see my setups and take some time to talk about all aspects of reefkeeping. I love to help hobbyists avoid the mistakes I've made and seen in my 18 years of intense activity in this hobby. Smile


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Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

Oh man I'd be embarrassed to post photos of my electrical setup.  
 
Even examples of what not to do can be helpful.  Big smile
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Originally posted by WhiteReef WhiteReef wrote:

However, a few things to consider.  First is you need to have a GFI electrical outlet for the tank.  This is important so you don't cause an electrical fire. 
 
I agree with you to put in a GFCI.  I used to have to go over a lot of fire cause and origin reports, so I've been convinced to respect electrical components.  I do think GFCI's are worth it, just make sure to get the proper one, with current technology.  Making sure nothing can power down the pumps is good, but not worth risking my house full of kids.  If it starts to trip without reason, I can always switch it out.
 
Keeping it neat is also what I'm trying to figure out the best way to do.  I'm willing to go with a little more expensive strip if it will mount up and clear of the water more easily.  I'm also worried about space for the timers, as most I've seen will cover several outlets.  My current plan is to mount the strip (or strips) up in the back of the stand near its ceiling.  My stand won't have much room to the sides, but there should be enough clearance for decent drip loops up high, properly controlled with zip ties. 
 
The worry I have with this is that it puts the strips right over the sump, so anything that comes loose will fall into the sump.  Presumably, they would be unplugged then, though.  Given the space constraints, I'm not sure there is a way around that for this tank.
 
Oh, and I do plan on calling Mark this weekend...
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I look forward to meeting you.

Just a thought - Sometimes I think of putting electrical things in back, out of the way, when they really need to be in front where I can easily reach them, especially in an emergency.

Over the years on this MB, there have been instances of fires and almost fires caused by electrical equipment. If I were concerned about this enough to use a GFCI and Grounding probe setup, this is what I would do:
1.  Place the lights, the heater and some of the powerheads on the GFCI protected circuit on one of two house circuits.
2.  Place at least one in-tank powerhead on the other household circuit
3.  I'd periodically switch powerheads back and forth between the GFCI and regular circuits. If a powerhead cracks and it's electrical comes in contact with the system water, I would want to know it and have it shut down ASAP without causing all flow to stop.
4.  I would put the external return pump on the non-GFCI circuit. Since it is not near enough to water in normal use, if it shorted, which is rare, it would trip the normal circuit breaker at the Breaker Box.

That's how I'd do it if I were concerned about it. Smile


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Redneck style.

I use 2 computer surge protectors boxs that i bought at the DI for 2 bucks apiece.
They sit on both ends of the tank and each is labled what they run.This way if i am not here and something goes wrong the wife,kids can just flip the main switches and shut it all down.You can get 5 outlets per box.
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OK Mark, you have me looking into grounding probes.
 
I should correct myself.  GFCI's won't do too much to stop a fire, it is the arc fault interrupters that do that.  Every time I think of these things I start wishing I had the money to just have my entire house rewired to the latest codes... The paranoia can get bad.
 
I've always gone with the computer power strips before.  I'd like a more elegant solution this time.
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