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Topic: phyto crash??? Posted: December 27 2005 at 9:14pm |
I have been culturing the mystery phyto and have kind of neglected it
for a few weeks. I checked it today and 2 of my 3 cultures have turned
to a mustard color? The original culture is a even deeper dark green
then it has ever been???? Any suggestions on reviving the 2 or is
it best to dump them and start over? Any idea why 2 cultures
turned to split pea soup and the original has maintained?
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Posted: December 27 2005 at 9:19pm |
It could have been contaminated with another strain. I can't say for sure, some phytos are red to brown color. You may want to ask Suzy or Adam (banana tropics) the phyto king.
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 4:47am |
Don't bother it, keep it going, and it will return to it's former green. Add a drop of fertilizer to help it recover.
It goes that way when neglected, but it is so virulent that it will recover. Other algae I have worked with, do not come back after they crash. This is one of the good qualities of this particular alga, whatever it is. 
Cutting phyto regularly and feeding it to your tank is the best way to keep any algae culture going.
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 7:01am |
I would chuck it.
If it starts to foam, it could be a bacterial contaminent...
I always try to keep 2 of every type I have because they do contaminate
eventually.
These are tetraselmis, T isochrysis and rhodomonas. Andy Rhyne told me
the greens are good, yellow and browns better but the reds are highest in
EPA & DHA!
I'm growing these 3 (plus a diatom on the other side of the room!) 'cause
they come in these nice holiday colors!
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 7:58am |
...what Suzy said 
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 8:30am |
Hey, Mr Adam! Whachya think o' that red!!!
Help me baby it?
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Posted: December 28 2005 at 8:23pm |
Ya gotta luv those holiday colors
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Posted: December 29 2005 at 7:58am |
I think I have the most nutritious mix of phyto & zoo plankton on the
planet!
Maybe I'm ready to try to breed dragonettes?
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Posted: December 29 2005 at 8:55am |
Suzy wrote:
I would chuck it. If it starts to foam, it could be a bacterial contaminent... |
The foaming is skimming! It's dead organics. The skimmate is nutrients... it's food. Eventually the living cells will use that food and grow again. Top it off to keep SG right and leave it alone. I mean you've let it go to this point already. It won't hurt to do nothing. 
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Posted: December 29 2005 at 10:12am |
The phyto is not foaming. It is just a very different color then my
original culture. My original is a dark green and my other 2 that were
started from the original look like a split pea soup color. I'm going
to leave it for now and see if it will work for a rotifer culture.
Also, I guess I added too much to my 20g tank and it has started to
grow in the tank. Is this a sign of poor conditions/water quality? Is
there anything I can do to clear the water? I was thinking that adding
rotifers would be the easiest thing to do.
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Posted: December 29 2005 at 1:17pm |
Why go to so much trouble for dead organics? You can buy cheap freeze dried, frozen or flaked filter food....or you can pee in your tank!
And, why grow iceburg lettuce when you can have Romaine?
Jeff, the phyto will consume the nutrients in your tank, then the corals and filter feeders will eat it. Win-Win? Your sponge inside your rock will love you and happy sponge=happy captive environment!
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Posted: December 30 2005 at 8:43am |
Green tank water. Been there. That's why I have clams. As long as the fish don't eat the rotifers too fast, rotifers is a good solution.
Suzy may think that I'm arguing. I am not. I am just saying that when I neglect my cultures of the famous mystery phyto, they crash and regrow. But my tank doesn't like the mystery stuff as well as Nano, so I'm planning to switch. 
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Posted: December 30 2005 at 10:13am |
How long do you think it would take a medium sized clam to clear the
water. It is a 20g with probably only 15g of water after the sand and
live rock. I think that is a great excuse to leave early and head over
to silcox' place today.
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Posted: December 30 2005 at 10:22am |
Maybe a day or two, depending on the clam. A smaller clam will clear half of a two liter jug in a little over an hour.
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Posted: December 30 2005 at 11:10am |
Sweet, Are you going to be around anytime this afternoon Shane? I
needed to pick up that large toadstool from you and a clam if you have
one.
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Posted: December 30 2005 at 11:18am |
I'll PM you with my cell.
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Posted: December 30 2005 at 11:09pm |
This is how much the phyto greened up a 75 gal. tank:

The skimmer did nothing. After a week with a 4" Derasa and a Spiny Oyster it looked better. This pic was taken just after adding the Squamosa:

The big Squamosa cleared the water practically overnight:

Very soon, the big clam played host to seven locally raised Nemos.

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Posted: December 30 2005 at 11:14pm |
Got my clam. Thanks Shane!! What a great deal. I'll post some pics of
the green tank and keep everyone posted over the next few days.
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Posted: January 03 2006 at 10:56pm |
Hmmm, either the clam is not as hungry as we thought or the phyto
population in the tank is higher then first expected. I have noticed no
real difference in the clarity of the tank yet. I did notice that the
clam spit a bit of dark green from it's mouth when it closed quickly
the other day. I'm sure it will clear it out eventually.
Back to my original post (regarding the phyto crash), I let the 2
original bottles of mystery phyto continue to sit and they have now
turned more of a yellow similar to Suzy's pic but not as bright. Is
this a normal phyto crash symptom? If the phyto was taken over by a
bacteria of some sort, would it turn yellow? Is this still something
that I can throw in my tank?
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 12:05am |
If the yellow remains for more than 5 days, then it has probably been overrun by a fungus. Adam Haycock and I looked at this yellow water under his microscope. There were very few of this spicule shaped fungus cell in the water we looked at, but it must have a toxin that kills the phyto.
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