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rfoote
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Topic: New Lighting Posted: October 19 2003 at 10:45am |
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I am kind of tired of babying a long my very old lighting system. My actnic ballast looks like it finally crapped out on me this time. I could just get a new ballast I guess, but the connection to the canopy is like nothing I've ever seen. It is like a 9 pin vga connector.
I want to keep my present bulbs(250W 10k Ushios, and 40W Actnics) Just bought them last month.
Does anybody have any suggestions on the best stuff, pricing, location and all. I might be looking to replace the hood and all. Thanks!
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Posted: October 19 2003 at 3:10pm |
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Ryan - Check out hellolights.com
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Sean Spargur
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Posted: October 19 2003 at 4:15pm |
If all you're looking at replacing (upgrading) is the actinics, I'd suggest a WH7 ballast. I can help if you've got wiring questions.
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Ryan Willden
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Posted: October 19 2003 at 5:46pm |
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I'd agree with Jon. The WH7 Ballast is a great value. You can get them at Commercial Lighting Supply in Salt Lake.
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 9:24am |
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If your looking for a new canopy, I have a friend that will build to suit. He's an excellent carpenter. He built my canopy and is working on the stand now.
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rfoote
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 9:59am |
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Jon and Ryan - the WH7 - is that for VHO's or Actnic? What does everyone recommend as a good MH ballast as well? I need it for my Ushio Bulbs - I know its probably dumb, but I don't know if I need pulse or Electronic start? Thank!
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 10:31am |
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Actually right now - I am running them on a M57 Ballast which would be a Magnetic ballast right?
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 11:22am |
I have a wh3 ballast to run my two 28w actnic pc's. Starts right up everytime, very quiet, and low heat with the ballast. It's an electronic ballast for flourescent lamps. Was easy to wire in. You could always just re-wire the canopy, you can buy everything you need at an electrical supply store, from shrink tubing to the wire it's self.
p.s. someday I'll actually learn to spell antinic right.
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 11:26am |
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I'm thinking I am just going to go the re-wire option. My canopy/hood is still in good condition and I don't see any reason to spend that extra money. Ok - So workhorse ballast for Actnic or VHO's right? Any suggestions on best MH ballasts?
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 1:08pm |
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Workhorse will work with VHO, HO, NO, PC, etc...
Actinic just refers to the Color Temp of the bulb. I have Actinic VHO's currently. But yes, the Workhorse 7 will work with them all.
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 1:27pm |
FLOURESCENT: The Fulham ballasts (workhorse brand) are electronic flourescent ballasts. They will drive either normal output (NO), high output or very high output (VHO) bulbs. Actinic is just a "type" of bulb. Actinic bulbs come in the VHO variety and the NO variety.
VHO = more light, higher energy requirements (less efficient) NO = less light, lower energy requirement (more efficient)
The cost of the bulbs are about the same. Given the choice, most prefer vho.
METAL HALIDE: Metal halide bulbs come in two varieties. Probe start and pulse start. These bulbs require different ballasts. Here's the ballast designations:
Probe Pulse start start -------------------------------------- 175 Watt M57 M137 or M152 250 Watt M58 M138 or M153 400 Watt M59 M135 or M155
The difference is mainly in how the bulb is started. Probe start is the mainstream MH system in the USA. Pulse start is more popular in Europe. The bulbs are not (under most circumstances) compatible with each other. Pulse start ballast and bulb combination results in a longer bulb life, higher lumen output and better color retention when compared to probe start ballast/bulbs.
The Radium bulbs and all HQI double ended bulbs are pulse start. Most other reef bulbs are probe start. The Ushio is a probe start bulb. The AB bulb is, I think, a pulse start bulb, although some people say it works fine in a probe start ballast.
[edit] Most electronic MH ballasts will run either bulb.
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 1:49pm |
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Jon, My Ushio is a pulse start bulb. It would not light on a probe start ballast.
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Kevin Kunz (Sandy, UT)
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 2:13pm |
Kevin, are those 175 watt bulbs? I've heard that about those. I've got 250 watt Ushio 10K's with a probe start ballast without problems.
The euro bulbs (Ushio, AB, other kockoffs) are a bit of mystery to me. I think (this is IMO) they're actually pulse start bulbs, but they've incorporated a "probe" into the bulb for USA sale and it's hit and miss, especially with the euro knockoffs, on whether or not a probe start ballast will fire them.
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Posted: October 20 2003 at 2:33pm |
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Yes, they are 175 watts. I got them from www.hellolights.com.
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Posted: October 21 2003 at 8:42am |
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Still no opinions on what Dual MH 250W Ballast to go with? I'm shocked!
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Posted: October 21 2003 at 8:48am |
I bought mine from www.cooltouchlighting.com
Their website is currently down, but they sell on E-bay, and I highly recommend them. A+++++ Customer Service!!!
I thought I had a problem with mine, and they sent out a replacement free of charge. (As it turned out, the problem was with the bulbs, and not the ballast.)
I bought my ballast kit from them for $150 + shipping for a dual 250 watt...
Here is the item number. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3212&item=2353736204
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Posted: October 21 2003 at 9:03am |
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I didn't opt to go with a dual ballast. I'm running 2 Icecap HQI 250 ballasts for my MH lighting. For the VHO's I have an Icecap 660. They work great.
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rfoote
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Posted: October 21 2003 at 10:22am |
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Are the dual's not really just two seperate ballasts in one case?
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Posted: October 21 2003 at 10:56am |
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I also bought a cooltouchlighting dual ballast. It works great for me. It isn't electronic but it still works wonderfully. I bought mine for 210 but it included a reflector. As far as the cooltouch ballast yes it is just 2 ballasts in the same box.
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Posted: October 21 2003 at 11:29am |
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Kevin is correct. It's much nicer for me to have it all in one case, but everyones needs are different.
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