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The substrate in my tank is strewn about with macabre reminders of past lives. The coralline covered Mexican Turbo, Astrea, Margarita and vacant hermit shells are reminiscant of Arlington National. My fish are doing well, my corals are all currently thriving, all the various inverts are happy, and the green hair is getting ever more manageable. I'm now to the point that I really want to beef up my cleanup crew, but do not want a repeat of the past plague. Cerith snails are the only variety that really have any longevity in my tank. My water parameters look good on my tests and the tests at both MSM and Aquatic Dreams. What can I possibly do to keep my new snails alive and eating. Has anyone else had this experience in the past? Please advise before I end up killing more critters. Thanks for your help!

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If your water quality is in fact top notch then the only thing you can do is try a longer acclimation process. I know that snails are not teribly hardy and your clean up crew will need to be replenished from time to time but if they are dieing that fast you must have an issue somewere. A possible rapid shift in ph temp or salinty could cause a problem. If your tank has algea growth there should be enough food for them.
One more thought. Is there a fish or other critter in there possibly eating them?
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I did capture a couple of hitchhiker crabs that were often found munching on hermits. I've never had fish in my tank that would pose a threat to snails. What water quality issues would be most detrimental to snails? Thanks for your input Bruce!
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In my mind fluctuating pH and alkalinity are killers to snails.  Quite odd timing for you to ask this, I just finished an article on this very question.

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Just what Adam said the ph and alk.
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How do novice reefers keep PH and Alk stable, without auto top-off, CA reactor etc? I am pretty sporatic when dosing Kalk and Super buffer. I wonder if this has lead to the snail demise.
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I also find that sometimes snails fall off the glass/rocks and fall on their backs and can't get flipped over again. That has been the leading killer of snails in my tank.
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I agree with Adam, et. al.
The ability of the snail to use calcium. That's what proper alk does. I have more snails/gallon in my 75 gal tank than anyone I know of. There is hardly a death. After 4 months I may have lost 5 out of about 175 snails. It's the effort I put into nightime dosing of KW and the occassional addition of some buffer that seems to do the job. Every snail has at least 3/8 inch of new shell growth. You can tell because there is always pure white (or black) new shell on each one.

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They are nice but you do not need an auto top off or a ca reactor. Try and be as consistant as possible with dosing ect. See if that doesnt help. Maybe do some experimenting buy only a few snails at a time.
Also it may not hurt to do a large water change to kind of wipe the slate clean so to speak.
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lots of daily algae growth to eat doesn't hurt none either
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Just gives them plenty to eat!
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Hello everyone,

Quote How do novice reefers keep PH and Alk stable, without auto top-off, CA reactor etc?


I add fresh water during the day and buffer at night.


Beyond that, IMO people grossly exaggerate the number of snail and/or crabs needed for a reef tank.

FWIW, I have less than 50 snails (and no crabs) for about 170 gallons of water. None of them have died and I'm happy with algae control.

Finally, if you do decide to add more snails or crabs, do it slowly. Just add a couple at a time until your algae control is where you want it.

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With sunlight shining on it all day, my tank is unique and lots of snails are a must.

When there is an algae problem, an overabundance of herbivores is required and some will die because they cannot or will not eat the nusiance algae, or they can't find the algae patches as they are reduced and eliminated. That's just a fact of getting algae under control the natural way.
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I had a similar problem...lots of snail/crab death.  Monitor your pH fluctuations when adding buffer and kalk.  Earlier in the day I replied to Marks P's post entitled "Help" which talks about adding buffer first then kalk.  I just bought a top off set up but haven't installed it...it won't maintain pH, Ca and Alkalinity though and I will still have to add/adjust those on my own. 

I usually add the buffer a couple of hours before I add my kalk.  Start adding kalk after the lights turn off, which is when the aquarium ph starts to drop.  By adding kalk drip-wise at the appropriate concentration, I am able to maintain a constant pH through the night with the resulting pH increase occuring during the following daytime hours.

Since employing these procedures, I haven't lost many snails, fish or corals.  In fact I have just noticed that I have had some snails reproducing in my tank.  Actually, I haven't 'seen' them reproducing, just the resulting snail babies which are about 1/2 the size of a pea.

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I added 10 Mexican Turbos (the large variety) - only $9 at MSM by-the-way, and 10 Ceriths on Friday. So far - so good. They are all moving and eating regularly, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will work out this time. My tank is looking cleaner already. Yeah!!!!
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Adam,

Could you link me up with some of your articles?  Where can you find them? 

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Articles on what?  I've written many so let me know what you are looking for.  I'm assuming since it is in this post that you are asking about an article on invertebrates and how they can tell you about the health of your tank.

I have an article on that, but it won't be published for about 6 more weeks.  I'll let you know when it comes out.

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Adam,

Actually, I just like to read, which is what probably got me into trouble with my tanks.  I'm setting up a low light tank.  It wil have a couple of perculas (the only fish), non-photosynthetic gorgonia (diodogorgia), xenia, slipper coral and some other polyps and zoos that were being eaten.  With the xenia I may have to add extra light for the 'pulsing'.  Any articles on these guys would be great.  Otherwise, I'll have to just catch them as they come out.

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I don't think I personally have any articles in that area.  None that come to mind.  I'll have to search around for some articles by others in that area.

Adam
ps- I don't think of xenia as a low light coral, and feeding is certainly the key to the proposed tank

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