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    Posted: January 26 2004 at 9:49pm

I hope this topic isn't too controversial .

Just thought I'd share my latest trick.  I just got an RO/DI unit so I needed a way to automate the tank topoff.  My old single float switched to a refilling powerhead just wouldn't do here.  Here are the parts I used.

This a picture of the solenoid valve.  It's powered by 120v AC.

Here's the relay and socket:

Here's the two floatswitches in a diy adjustable holder:

The concept behind it isn't my own.  It's very common in industry when controlling levels to set up two switches this way.  It's called a "pump up" scheme.  What it is, is two floatswitches wired through a DPDT relay with one of the contacts operating the solenoid.  When the water level drops below the lower float, the solenoid is tripped and RO/DI water flows into the sump.  When the water level fills high enough to trip the upper float the solenoid shuts off and is reset.  This method of control is preferable over a single float because with a single float the solenoid valve would be constantly coming on and off.  With this method the solenoid only comes on a couple times per day.  Also it's better on the RO to run continously rather then in short bursts.

The solenoid is plastic bodied from www.mcmaster.com part # 7877K23:  $17.18

The relay and socket I got from Standard Supply in SLC:  $10

The floatswitches from www.floatswitches.net  : $15

Acrylic I had laying around, the RO line connectors from Home Depot.  All in all, I think it ended up costing about $50.  It works like a champ!  Here's a few pictures of it installed.

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The solenoid valve installed:

The float switches in the sump:

 



Edited by jfinch - May 03 2008 at 1:24pm
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there you go again, just inventing all kinds of ****

looks good, let us know how it works

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cool, very cool

Throw yourself a Nilsen style kw reactor together and run your ro through it ... No need for a dosing pump.
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Thanks guys.

Marcus, it's worked great for the last few days.  I'll be sure to let everyone know if it gets my carpet wet.

Shane, I think this setup would dose a little too fast for my liking.  And my kalk reactor would need to withstand RO pressure (30 psig?).  I like the idea of a controlled flow dosing using a dosing pump.  Nice and slow.

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I'm impressed, as usual!
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damn! nice job! i'm impressed.
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Jon, of course, fantastic job! Your DIY skills are unmatched. Just a thought on the floats and overcycling the solenoid. Somewhere, and I cannot remember exactly where but I will look, they make a float switch with adjustable travel so that you wouldn't need an extent type system with reset. Basically it allows an increased or decreased travel in the float which is on a switch. Not that your method is bad because it's great, just advising of an option that I use at work.

Again, great job!

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Carl, if you find any info online regarding the way you do it let me know.  Or we can talk about it next time I see you.  I'm always looking for better methods. 

The other scheme I looked at was to use one solenoid and a timing relay so that when the level tripped the float, the solenoid would stay on, even after the level had increased, for an additional 10 -15 minutes.  It just turns out that a timing relay ($20) is more money then an extra float switch ($6) and DPDT relay ($6).  Being cheap, I went this route.

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Jon, I will see if we have an extra mechanism laying around as well. We'll talk about it next time we see each other.

I think that I can find it cheaper, but just to give you an idea... http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi& ;ItemId=1613544591&ccitem=

 



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John;
Like always your projects are awsome!!!
Have you documented any of your projects? I'd love to try one of these projects (skimmer, float switch), but don't feel confident enough to even start!
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This thread is my only documentation...  I'll answer any questions you might have.
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Jon - have you had any problems with this design now that you've had it running for a while?

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Sean,

Crazy I was just thinking about this as well.

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No complaints at all.

The solenoid only comes on about 2-3 times per day (really cuts down on ON/OFF cycles, extending the life of the valve).  I've had the system "malfunction" twice due to chitons, but without any serious problems.  That is a fairly common problem with float switches (probably not as much a problem with a float valve).  What happens is those really small chitons (4-6 mm long) get on the center post of the float, but under the actual float, when the float is submerged.  This doesn't allow the float to drop when the water level drops and the valve doesn't come on resulting in the sump level dropping (no make-up).  No worries about wet floors, just dry sumps.  I've caught it both times before it went dry.  My sump can go probalby 3 days without make-up water before the pump will suck air.

Even though I still haven't found time to build a kalk reactor I still think this is the best/safest set-up for it.

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Jon,

You have Chitons?  Where did you get them?

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Thanks for the info Jon.  I just ordered the parts from the sites you listed.  I may need your help putting it together, if your game.  Thanks again.
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Jake,

Not sure where Jon got his.  Don't know of any local store currently selling any.  But they retail online for $2 so they can't be that hard to find.... well maybe they can be.

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hmm... perhap I'm confused.

They're very small (3-6 mm long) with a shell on their back that looks like an armadillo.  Are they chitons?  They just came with the live rock and they're everywhere... I see them in almost every tank I've ever seen.

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Here is a picture of a chiton.  Although not all are as colorful as this one.

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I think that Jon is referring to those little shelled inverts that encrust to everything.  They are stationary and look like some kind of filter feeder.
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