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Topic: Will this MH/pc fixture work?? Posted: November 27 2003 at 9:52pm |
Im trying to do a DIY MH/pc fixture. Heres the plan...
Buy a 24" fixture from AquaticCo http://www.aquaticco.com/175mhcf.htm They sell just the fixture for $60.
Buy a 175Watt IceCap ballast off of Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=23624 30095&category=46314 $109
10,000K ushio bulb $65
24" Polished aluminum optical reflector for metal halide and compact fluorescent fixtures from AquaticCo $40
Cooling fan $13
For my pc's, I want to break down my Coralife 2x65 Watt aqualight and use them. FREE
Then comes the socket and wiring, which I haven't got a clue on how to do!
Does this sound reasonable?? This MH stuff is new to me, so I have no idea what i'm doing. How could I make this cheaper??? Thanks for any help.
Adam
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Posted: November 27 2003 at 10:39pm |
I live in GA and I have seen some of AquaticCO's work @ Imagine-Ocean www.imagine-ocean.com and they are amazing. Very clean and cool. Let him know Chris Gallagher from ARC sent ya.
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 8:12am |
Are you in Utah? You could save $$ by making the reflector of the same material bought cheaper locally at Advanced Lighting here in SLC. I don't know for sure but you might check what fixture and ballast you can get from Commercial Lighting Supply, again local to SLC.
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 8:32am |
Ask for Bruno at Advanced Lighting. I just bought enough sheet for my 125 and my father-in-law's 70 gal. It's very good stuff (same as what you'll buy on line) and only about $2.50 per sq ft. That's under $10 for the reflector you're looking at. It's easy to bend the stuff to whatever shape you might like using wood boards (if you go this route and can't figure out how to get straight nice bends ask here).
Mark's like my straight man... I bought a couple ballasts from Commercial Lighting Supply this week too. They are a local dealer of Fulham ballasts. Fulham are great electronic ballasts for any type of fluorescent lighting. But you said you want to just use the PC's you've got, so you may not need a fulham ballast.
I had quotes from Wesco here in SLC for 175 watt core and coil MH ballasts at right around $38. But if you're getting the Ushio bulb you'll need either the electronic which you mention (Ice Cap) or a pulse start core and coil which might be (guessing here) $10-15 more then the probe start... so like $50 - $55.
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 9:58am |
I think I'll definitely check out Advanced Lighting. The $40 reflector is nothing more than a rectangle piece with not bends.
Is this ballast retro kit a good deal?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=23626 97685&category=20755&rd=1
Thanks for your help guys
-Adam
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 10:52am |
Thanks Cortney. That one is missing power cord and mogul, but maybe I can find those at an electrical supply company for cheaper.
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 1:05pm |
For a power cord you buy a $3 grounded 25' extension cord and cut off the recepticle!
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 4:19pm |
You can find the ballast (ice cap) a few dollars cheaper if you search around on the net. But $109 isn't bad.
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 7:30pm |
Well, here's what I think I'll go with. Im still new to all the MH stuff so please tell me if i'm buying something bad or if i'm missing something.
24" Aluminum composite fixture (AquaticCo) $60
Ventilation fan (AquaticCo) $13
IceCap retro kit $200
(includes 175 W electronic ballast, 10,000K Ushio bulb, mogul ceramic socket with stainless steel mount (5kv), 1 power cord
24" polished optical reflector $24
Am I missing anything???
Thanks for all the input. I don't know what I would do without this forum. So everyone thinks a 175W 10,000K MH + 2x65 Watt pc actinics will be enough light for my small 29 gallon tall aquarium. Enough light for anemones, acros and clams?? And I will never need to upgrade my lighting again ???
One last question, should I even use actinic pc as a supplement, or should I just get a 14,000K or 20,000K bulb?
Thanks, Adam
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 8:45pm |
I would definately have the supplemental actinics. Some would argue that is more important than the halide.
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Posted: November 28 2003 at 9:17pm |
I would agree with Adam, you will like having the actinics & a 10000K MH. You could go with the single 20000K MH, but then you cannot stagger the light times and you can see the different colors between the actinics and the MH. I would run the actinics for an hour or two before the MH comes on and then leave them on for an hour or two after the Mh goes off. There are not many P.C. that are true actinic, most are just blue. But I do not know which ones are true. Can someone else help with that one? For that and other reasons, I like VHO's over P.C.'s.
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 9:15am |
I have seen a PC that appeared to be true actinic, but I also agree that VHO is better than PC. In my experience of seeing hundreds of hobbyist and professional tanks, MH/VHO is the best lighting for growth of anything and also produces the best eye pleasing color and effect.
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 9:26am |
Does anyone know if any power compacts are TRUE actinic? What manufactures?
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 9:58am |
I bought mine of hellolights.com and they said they were 'true' actinic 03 bulbs. I don't have any way to test them and see if it's true, but they seem to work.
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 10:02am |
I have a couple true actinics, but I do NOT like them as much as I like my new blue pc bulbs. I got my blues from Scroll, I think they are like panasonic brand but I'm not sure. If it were me, I wouldn't look for true actinic lights. I have a blue and an actinic in a fixture, maybe I will bring it to the meeting so you can see the two bulbs side by side.
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 12:49pm |
This may be personal opinion, but I disagree with Adam. I would take true actinics (monochromatic light at 420 nm) over the PC "blue" light any day of the week. I'd bet 90% (I would have said 100%, but it appears Adam's thrown a monkey wrench in my statistics ) of you would prefer it too. The only reason I have actinics on my tank is to make my green's, yellow's and to a lesser extent blue's glow. Blue light just make's 'em blue. Actinics make them GLOW.
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 1:14pm |
jfinch wrote:
Blue light just make's 'em blue. Actinics make them GLOW.
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I'll disagree with that. The reason I like my blues is because they seem to make my coral glow more than my actinics did. Also, they have increased growth rate, I think. But I may be wrong. Somehow I think my actinics just didn't give the light that the blues do.
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Posted: December 03 2003 at 4:15pm |
Here's what I found on HelloLights.com on the subject....
Q. What's the difference between a "Blue 7,100K" and "Actinic 03" bulb? A. Excellent question! OK, a little background: The original "Actinic 03" bulb was made by Philips. They were not made for aquarium use, but were adopted once news spread about the beneficial aspects of using this bulb over reef tanks. Nowadays, "Actinic 03" has become the marketing term used to identify "blue" looking bulbs. Many bulbs are passed off as "actinic", when they are just a blue bulb. So, to answer the question, Blue 7,100K bulbs are visually brighter than HelloLights Actinic bulbs. Blue bulbs will NOT fluoresce your animals as well as our Actinic bulbs. Many others sell "actinic", but they are really selling blue bulbs. The phosphors coating the interior of our Actinic bulbs are specially formulated to produce a narrow spike of concentrated violet/blue light. This is why they appear to be more faint than blue bulbs. If you have tons-o-corals, then we suggest going with Actinic 03. Remember, a visual measurement of a lights utility is a poor one.
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Posted: December 03 2003 at 4:42pm |
My experience has been exactly what hellolights.com is saying.
And it appears that there IS an actinic pc bulb afterall.
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