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    Posted: November 29 2006 at 11:40pm
Smile I am just getting into the fish hobby and I want to start off with a BIG tank (350g+). I am looking for info on who can build a tank and some expert advice on setting it up. I want to start with fresh water and go from there. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Marine Aquatics can build you a tank. Click on the blue button on the left of the screen "Local Pet Stores" to get their number.
 
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I want to start with fresh water and go from there.
 
You may want to reconsider this...
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I agree with Shane, particularly if you are setting up a big tank, going with freshwater and converting to salt water will require more time and expense than just jumping in to salt whole hog.

with all the advice here you can start "slowly" with salt until you're comfortable and then start adding lots of livestock.


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 I thought starting a salt water tank was very expensive. Why do you guys suggest starting with salt?
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starting a tank is fairly expensive, but its certainly cheaper than buying a bunch of freshwater equipment and throwing most of it away to convert to salt water.

i would suggest doing some more homework and realistically budgeting what you can afford before you decide you want a 350 gallon tank of either type.  big tanks aren't cheap period, and there is nothing worse than spending money on a big tank that you are unhappy with and spending more money to fix it (or convert it to salt water).
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Can you give me a ballpark figure on the cost of a salt water tank? I agree with you on the conversion costs, that never crossed my mind, so what you are saying does make more sense. I had a 55g fresh water tank when I was younger so I don't really know where to start with salt.

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What were you planning fish-wise/live stock wise in the 350? 

It's your live stock that will determine what your spending habit will be.  I think David's on the money - research what you want then go from there, salt or fresh.

Plus you're going to folks who are biased on this forum - salt is the way to go here.  But if you're looking for freshwater forum, I suggest going to:
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I just recently started up my first saltwater, and it wasn't near as expensive as what I was originally thinking, primarily because of help and advice from people on this board.  Decide what you really want, and if it's saltwater come here for advice, you'll learn a ton and most likely save a lot of money!  Good luck
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Can you give me a ballpark figure on the cost of a salt water tank?
 
I'd guess somewhere around $25 to $35 per gallon. But probably higher.
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 I have always wanted to have a salt water tank and if like you guys say the price difference doesn't break me I would love to have one this big. Can someone give me some advice on how big of a sump I would need as well as filters and pumps. I would like to start looking for good deals on such to minimize my initial start up costs. Are there any other tank builders in the area?

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Originally posted by Shane H Shane H wrote:

Can you give me a ballpark figure on the cost of a salt water tank?
 
I'd guess somewhere around $25 to $35 per gallon. But probably higher.


That can vary a lot depending on  a ton of factors (like live rock vs Utah rock).  Time is also a big factor, if you want it really pretty really fast (like tileman)  expect to pay more.  If you can piece it together over time, and like to watch the grass (corals) grow, you can save a lot of money. 

I figure if you are going to spend  some big $ on a custom tank, why not spend some $ filling it with good stuff and making it low maint with good equipment.
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I think Shane's $25 to $35 is too low for a less to low maintenance saltwater reef system.
 
As far as filtration goes, it all depends on what you want to do.
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I think Shane's $25 to $35 is too low for a less to low maintenance saltwater reef system.
 
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I could set up a 350g system for less than $12K.  Anybody want to spot me the 12K (just so I can show you Big%20smile).

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You may want to consider setting up a smaller tank <125 gallons (as small as 30 gallons would help you get started).  This way you can "get you feet wet".  After this tank has been setup you can start the planning for your larger system.  After you have a tank for a while (and have seen others) you will have a much better idea of how to setup your large tank.  In the end you will have a better setup for your large tank (probably saving you money in the end), and a 125 gallon to use as a sump, quarantine tank, or just another tank.

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I wholeheartedly agree with Jake, unless you want to pay a company to set up a large tank for you and then you learn to maintain it.
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I concur with Jake as well, and it would be a good stepping stone for that 350 gallon beast.  Wait until you have to do water changes on 350 gallons plus or scrape coralline algae off the glass- pretty large task.

 

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I also agree with what has been said.  Not only is the initial startup spendy but the ongoing maintenance will run probably 300.00 a month with utilities.  Like has been stated though, if you start small and then shop right here for good deals you will be able to piece together a good system over time.  I have found patience to be the key in this hobby.
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Also agreeing with Jake.

My first was a 15 gallon.  I made a lot of mistakes-- the good ones.  I climbed the learning curve, feel like I know enough to move on.  So I'm setting up a 29 gallon (keeping the 15 gallon for a different kind of tank Smile) and I don't think as much money will be wasted this time around.  Let's face it, I'll still make mistakes, but I think the biggest ones I've already made on the previous tank.

I know that small tanks have their downsides in salt water-- mainly stability (more water means more room for error) but the way I look at it is if you start small, and you decide you don't like it, you're not out very much.  I'd hate to see you get $6000 into a large tank setup and then decide you don't want to see it through to the end.  You'd waste soooo much money.

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