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Im ready to take it up a notch:) I finnaly got my new and my first job in highschool and i want to save up a bunch but once and a while i wanna take a chunk out on occasions and get some pricier nicer fish, and when i went to bird world they had a bunch of new butterfly fish but i have heard that they arent easy. Have any of you had or has a butterfly fish of any kind? Which ones do you reccomend? What has a easy diet and can live with a small sailfin tang, 6 line wrasse, cleaner shrimp, corals, clownfish, fire fish?
Here are some that i like but i havent reasearched:
-heniochus butterfly (black and white stripes)
-coperband butterfly
-yellow long nose butterfly
-and most others
 
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Im no expert but from my experience most butterfly fish are not reef safe, i do have a copperband in my reef tank and im watching him carefully. I havent seen any aggression towards my other fish (hes actually very shy), but he has taken a liking to my excess of tube worms. What size tank do you have and what type of corals and inverts do you currently/hope to have?
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Currently - small hermits, snails, Corals - Dragon eyes, cloves, frogspawn, chalice, and some softie purple leather that i dont know the name of.
Future( hopefully) - Anemone, urchin, flame scallop, more cleanup crew
 
I have a 55 galon.
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Please do research before you buy butterflies. They're mostly meant for fish-only tanks. Say goodbye to a lot of your corals if you buy the wrong one.
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Well what im getting at is are there any that can do ok in my tank?
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copperbands and yellow pyramid butterflies are the somewhat safe to have. However If i were you I'd go for a pyramid and avoid the copperband. I would try a pair of the pyramids and as always, if they're not eating at the lfs, move on.

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There is always some risk in adding butterflyfish in a reef. All 3 species you listed can be successfully added (with caution). They will eat polychaete worms, including christmas tree worms. Most butterflyfishes are more likely to nip at SPS and LPS. Just keep an eye on the fish and corals if it picks at live coral it needs to be removed. Feeding small amounts several times a day usually helps.
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Originally posted by tfmreefs tfmreefs wrote:

Im ready to take it up a notch:) I finnaly got my new and my first job in highschool and i want to save up a bunch but once and a while i wanna take a chunk out on occasions and get some pricier nicer fish, and when i went to bird world they had a bunch of new butterfly fish but i have heard that they arent easy. Have any of you had or has a butterfly fish of any kind? Which ones do you reccomend? What has a easy diet and can live with a small sailfin tang, 6 line wrasse, cleaner shrimp, corals, clownfish, fire fish?
Here are some that i like but i havent reasearched:
-heniochus butterfly (black and white stripes)
-coperband butterfly
-yellow long nose butterfly
-and most others
 
Opionis? Tips? Facts? Everything and anything will be awsome thanks! - Tanner

I haven't read the rest of the posts above but just jumping in here.

These are all fantastic candidates for a reef tank.  Butterflies are tricky, and I'd highly recommend asking questions (like you did) before buying one.  Some are certainly no-no's while others are very common.  The three you listed are high up on the list of good choices.

Heniochus- small fishes are fantastic and highly recommended.  The adults are also very easy to keep, but the adults are known to eat lots of small polyps.... like zoanthids.  But the juveniles easily take prepared foods, look great, and are docile.  The main concern again is the adults eating things.

Copperband- a staple in the hobby.  I've seen them in so many reef tanks around the country it is unreal.  Potential for eating ornamental shrimp (cleaner shrimp) but most people would chance them.  Also, been used for years to eat aiptasia.  

Yellow long nose- another popular fish.  One of the odd butterflies that is typically not recommended for fish only tanks, but instead does better in reef tanks.  Love pods and worms.  If you like having pods and worms then I'd avoid this fish.  Not as easy to keep as the other fish, mainly because it can be a finicky eater.  But if you have a great reef tank with lots of little critters in the rocks, and you aren't opposed to trying some good foods (that aren't flake or pellets) then these fish do have a pretty good track record in the hobby.  Again, they aren't the easiest fish to feed.

I'd happily throw any of those fish in my tank if someone was giving them away.  I'd highly consider buying one if I saw one on sale.  

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Cool! Thanks Adam!:) YEa, Bird world and pet village had a bunch of Heniochus and they were tiny:) I also saw a long nose at fish 4 u. I want to see a copper band butterfly in real life since i haven't but where do the sell them? I just want to see you know - how they swim, their real size, bla, bla, nla. Just because i havnt seen one. My cleaner shrimp is freaking massive, i think that if i get a small copperband (in the future) I might be safe:)
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Tanner best advice on these fish is ....... Take a really cute girl out an a date !!!!! then u can always show her what u already have ! Just my 02 man :)

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Originally posted by Akira Akira wrote:

Tanner best advice on these fish is ....... Take a really cute girl out an a date !!!!! then u can always show her what u already have ! Just my 02 man :)

 
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Ive always been told they arent reef safe... Yeah they might be with caution... But the majority 95% of butterfly's ive seen eat coral...So it's really up to you.
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So i have bought a copperband yesterday. I watched him eat at the lfs. When i got home i tried feeding him frozen brine and he doesnt  want it:P I also tried nori, he checks it out but doesnt want it. anyone who has a copperband what are you feeding yours? maybe mine jsut still needs to get used to the tank.
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They can be tempted with small anenomes as well as frozen brine... Keep trying. Sometimes it takes some time (a few days) before they will accept food after the move from the LFS to your tank.

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I heard they will also eat blood worms..... (i think thats what they are called) but do i have to buy them alive or can they be the dried up ones?
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I've got foods I would try.  Polychaete worms and what not.  If you make it out this way let me know.

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Originally posted by tfmreefs tfmreefs wrote:

I heard they will also eat blood worms..... (i think thats what they are called) but do i have to buy them alive or can they be the dried up ones?

Buy the frozen blood worms and thaw before feeding.
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i have also thought of a copper band, let me know how yours does!

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Also just jumping in here. Pyramid butterflies will do great in most any reef tank, however size does become an issue with them. A 55 gallon is probably a bit too small to house one comfortably since they aren't often seen on the retail end of things smaller than about 4.5". A copperband could be a great choice however they are notorious for being picky eaters or sometimes just refusing to eat. I have had two, and the longest lived went for about 5 months before refusing to eat anymore and just wasting away. Henochious are your best choice here IMO. They are easy to keep, readily accept prepared foods and are beautiful and (mostly) well behaved.
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