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    Posted: August 14 2004 at 12:36am
Does anyone have experience or advice for fragging a tongue
or slipper coral ?
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My Advice would be not to do it.  Most likely you will kill the coral if you try to frag it.

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I Agree,

Some things just arent ment to Frag,

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How were you thinking of doing it? Do you have a pic of the coral?

I offer the opposing opinion here. If I were to attempt it, I'd try to snap it but then leave the pieces undisturbed. Then in a week, pull them slightly apart stretching but not tearing the tissue. Do this weekly or as often as seems prudent, until the flesh chooses to split apart on it's own.

This method has been used succesfully on most LPS. I did this myself with a Fungia/Plate Coral and personally know of Bubble and Elegance Corals split this way.

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IMO, it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible to break a tongue coral without breaking the tissue
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And I think that is definitely a technique best left to the serious fragger or a dieing specimen.  The fungiidae just aren't built to frag, imo.

Edit:  but they do bud!  Here's a fungia I got from Mark who got it from someone else in the club who has a parent colony that buds of daughters.



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It is risky.  However, "members of the Fungiid family have excellent regenerative powers and propagation by fragmentation is a viable farming strategy..." (Calfo 2001, pg 254). I personally asked Calfo about this one time, and he said to just take them and run them through a saw.  Just saw them up into pieces, and you'll have around 80% survival. 
I find/found that hard to believe, but still possible.

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Thanks for the opinions- Eric Borneman also mentions
propagation by fragmentation but provides no details. I'll think
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Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

It is risky.  However, "members of the Fungiid family have excellent regenerative powers and propagation by fragmentation is a viable farming strategy..." (Calfo 2001, pg 254). I personally asked Calfo about this one time, and he said to just take them and run them through a saw.  Just saw them up into pieces, and you'll have around 80% survival. 
I find/found that hard to believe, but still possible.

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I would like to know what Anthony's secret is.  I have tried fragging 'members of the Fungiid family" with very, very low success rates.  In fact we fragged a Fungia about 3-4 coral cuttings sessions ago.  As far as I am aware not one of the cuttings lived.

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Jake,

Yep, I agree.  I find it hard to believe.  But he claims to have around (at least) 80% success.  He also says that when they are dead, leave them in the tank.  It may take several weeks, but they are still alive and they'll come back. 

I admit, and agree, it is risky.

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