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 Posted: October 30 2004 at 11:52pm |
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Jon that was one of the articles that swayed me to use phosban instead of the phosguard. Would you use phosguard on one of your tanks? I think the main reason why people have trouble with using GFO/Alumina based products is that they use the full dose right off. In which, changes the overall balance of their tank to fast.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 12:13am |
I deleted that post because when I came back and read it, I realized that it was even longer and more boring than usual. 
One point that I should make is that Activated Alumina has worked for me and for those that I have helped to eliminate algae problems. In every case it's a prescribed treatment, used only temporarily, not an ongoing thing as one would use carbon.
The other point I'd like to make is that Soft coral are usually less bothered by higher phosphate levels so it seems unlikely to me that phosphate is the major problem. Besides, isn't there lava rock still in the tank. Those phosphate levels don't surprize me when lava/lace rock is present.
It could also be something as simple as a heat problem caused by an unnoticed non-funtioning fan.  That would explain why it looks worse by the end of the day.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 8:56am |
It could also be something as simple as a heat problem caused by an unnoticed non-funtioning fan.
The tank temperature is pretty consistent.
Also, NO lava rock in my SW tank, only in my FW tanks. My rock was all fiji/caribbean prior to adding the LBTR.
Cody, can you give me a call and I'll come by and borrow (or take, up to you) that phosban. I need to do something quickly. My fish are starting to look upset now as well.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 9:51am |
Oh oh, something major is happening and phosban will probably not correct it. Call me, no, I'll call you right now. Whoops, is your phone still on the fritz? I left a message.
Right now, playing it better safe than sorry, the best thing you can do is take out the LBTR and do a major water change.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 2:22pm |
I agree with Mark in that it is probably something else besides elevated phosphate or could even be a combined issue. When I had an elevated phosphate problem my softies/fish weren't affected, it was only my sps that bleached/RTN. I think the best thing would be to have Mark/or another member to take a look at your tank and try to figure out the cause. My phone is on the member's list and your welcome to give me a call. I would be glad to test your water and I know that Fish4u also does most of the water tests for free. You are also welcome to come and get some phosguard, which is the Alumina based phosphate remover.
Hopefully Mark has already figured out the problem by now .
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 9:10pm |
Yes Cody, you are correct. We did seem to have the answer by the time you posted that. With Eric's help(Marine Aquatics) we verfied that phosphate was actually dropping and that all other readings were in line. No copper was evident, which was a relef to me because that let the LBTR off the hook.
It appears that success in raising pH last week may have been a little too stressful on everything, especially Xenia, other soft coral and fish. It will just take time for the coral to return to normal.
Improdigal has babies. I'll let him tell you more.
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Posted: November 01 2004 at 11:23am |
 Mark Peterson wrote:
Improdigal has babies. I'll let him tell you more. |
I've had a dead plate coral that had died before I ever got the tank, but I kept it for decoration from the person I bought my stuff from.
Well after I got my MH, some mushrooms started to spontaneously grow from it. They were pretty, but I never could figure out what they were:
(pic not so good, sorry)
Anyway, Mark saw it and pointed out that they aren't mushrooms, they are baby plating corals, that grew out of the dead parent. There are somewhere are 20-30.
So we're starting to frag them so they can grow larger and then I'll actually have my first real 'trade-able' corals. We took off the first one last night and it looks great today.
In sadder news, the clam looks dead, it has complete receded into the shell. Also the brain coral it's coming out at all.  Talk about a quick $100 down the tubes faster than you could lose it in Vegas.....
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At least there was some good news along witht the bad. Was it the fungia that was causing the problems? Why does a dead fungia all of a sudden start to bud? What are you doing to fix the problem?
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Posted: November 02 2004 at 6:23am |
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Was it the fungia that was causing the problems? Why does a dead fungia all of a sudden start to bud? What are you doing to fix the problem? |
Not at all, they have been growing for a few months now. It appears it was due to a prior PH drop and then my bringing it back up. They were just taking a few days to come back to normal.
Of course, I still have no idea why by clam died and my new brain coral won't come out. 
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Posted: November 02 2004 at 12:24pm |
cpearce.... wrote:
Why does a dead fungia all of a sudden start to bud?
What are you doing to fix the problem? |
Everyone should take note of Improdigal's experience here. I've said it many times before and I repeat it again. Don't throw out that supposedly dead coral.
Use it in a marine system as you would a piece of rock. Within a few months, if conditions change/improve, it may come back sometimes as the parent and sometimes as clone babies.
I believe that the "cloners" on Camino beyond the Ryshi Maze, developed their methods by studying coral propagation. 
To answer the 2nd question, when all water parameters are close to the recommended range, as they are for Improdigal, the best thing to do is wait patiently for the ecosystem to fix itself. Organisms will revive.
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