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Mark Peterson
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Posted: February 25 2004 at 11:33am |
Did that.
Works great as long as no pollutants/VOC's are dumped upstream as happened to me!
Had to discard that aragocrete 'cause it was killing my coral!
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Posted: February 25 2004 at 12:37pm |
jfinch wrote:
For curing, how 'bout driving up the canyon and dropping them in the creek at some secluded location. Come back in a month and get them. I would think they would cure faster with a constant flow of make-up water. |
That is exactly what many many people do. Including GARF of course.
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Posted: February 25 2004 at 2:29pm |
Works great as long as no pollutants/VOC's are dumped upstream as happened to me!
Well, I wasn't suggesting the Jordan River .
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Posted: February 25 2004 at 2:58pm |
I know, but where I lived in Centerville was at the base of the foothills and someone did dump something in just that short distance in my small stream (Parrish Creek) that ran through my yard.
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Posted: February 25 2004 at 8:20pm |
I was going to post a question about curing in a river or something last time I checked in this morning. I come back to find a wealth or responses to a question I never asked.
<<<<<<<<<< a little freaked out right now.
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Posted: April 04 2004 at 7:50pm |
Ok, after a few trials I think I've stumbled upon a great mix that produces VERY pourous rocks with NO additional materials. I just cast some GARF style egg carton plugs with it yesterday and these things are light and holier (not blessed) than any live rock I've seen yet. Here's the rundown:
Mix (by volume):
1 part cement (portland type I/II will give the best strength)
3 parts aragonite sand
2 parts coarse crushed coral 1/8" - 1/4" nominal size (I used Caribsea Florida)
VERY little water (this is important)
The key to high strength, well made concrete has always been saturated aggregate (sand and gravel). It's important that your materials be saturated-surface dry, no excess moisture but no absorption either. To acheive this, wet your materials (minus cement) a while in advance making sure not to add too much water, stir to ensure even absorption and allow time to saturate. If after a few hours you have free water, pour it off and add some dry sand till it's not shiny at all.
Once you have this, go ahead and mix with cement first to coat and then add the very little water 1/3 part by volume should do it. you want it to be super dry, think oatmeal haystacks, the idea is to add only enough water to hydrate the cement. If your aggregate is dry when you do this it will suck the water out of the cement and weaken it too much.
Now go ahead and mold your pieces in whatever form you've chosen making sure that if the mold is absorbent that it is presatisfied as well. once cast it will seem to be less than solid and you will want to rod or pack it, don't. Simply vibrate the form slightly to ensure contact between the cement coated particles and cover to avoid dehydrating.
Sorry this has been so verbose, I hope somebody still finds it worthwhile and reads the whole thing. If anyone is interested and wants to try it let me know how it goes, or if you want to see some of the finished product contact me.
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Posted: April 04 2004 at 10:08pm |
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Is that ingredient supposed to be "3 parts aggregate sand"
It's not clear to me why this is so porous. Is it full of air pockets?
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Posted: April 05 2004 at 6:48am |
Got it, thanks Mark. Actually it turns out so pourous because rather than the hydrated cement filling the voids between the coarse aggregates it meerly coats them and bonds them together. Like Rice Crispy treats. So rather than enclosed air pockets there are actual tunnels all through it. I'll see if I can post a pic but I doubt that would really give you an idea of the nature of the pieces. I'll bring some to the next meeting and perhaps could throw in a quick demo when the DIY meet rolls around. Or if you or anyone for that matter would like to come by you're all always welcome.
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Posted: April 05 2004 at 6:57am |
Yes, I've been hoping to call to see if you wouldn't mind a visit. And after seeing the pics of your pond, I'm even more interested.
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Posted: April 05 2004 at 7:01am |
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anytime, anytime, you have my # right?
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Posted: April 05 2004 at 7:27pm |
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I picked up one of the plugs just now and was looking it over closely and decided to see just how clearly the tunnels passed through the rock. so i pressed it to my lips and exhaled into it, water blew out all over it's surface and air blew through it easier than pummace. I tried all dozen plugs (egg carton for a mold, prewetted of course) and they all where the same, seriously sponge-crete here.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 6:46am |
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Are you thinkin' about selling this stuff? Kinda a side job?
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 7:08am |
I plan on making a ton of it, but it's too easy to do to make money on, I'm too used to doing really hard stuff for my dinereo. So I'll probably just end up giving a ton of it away. I'd love to give you a bunch of it if you'll let some shrooms grow on to one or two then trade back  ! Who knows though, if enough people want some special custom structures I certainly wouldn't be opposed to supporting my reef habit a little.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 7:22am |
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I could always used an arch for our specimen tank! Something
pygmy seahorses could appreciate!
(Be careful about those 'shrooms. They want to take over the world!
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 8:30am |
Mark Peterson wrote:
Yes, I've been hoping to call to see if you wouldn't mind a visit. And after seeing the pics of your pond, I'm even more interested.  |
Where are there pics of your pond? I am building a 2,000 gal w/waterfall and am interested in seeing yours before I get going on mine in May.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 8:44am |
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Never mind. I finally got to the next section of the board.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 5:36pm |
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Suzy, I just covered up an arch piece before sitting down to check the board, I don't have anywhere for it, I just made it as practice to see if I could. It's already got your name on it. It will need to cure for about two months though. I'm thinking of casting a whole bunch as fast as possible and then taking it up the canyon and throwing a basket of it somewhere. Hopefully that way I will have a bunch to pass around by the meeting after next.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 6:14pm |
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Thanks!!!
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 6:21pm |
No problem, If I want to keep seahorse and you're gonna become the Seahorse Whisperer, then I need to keep on your good side  !
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