Utah Reefs Homepage
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - GRRRRRR.... fish being killed!!!
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

GRRRRRR.... fish being killed!!!

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: GRRRRRR.... fish being killed!!!
    Posted: November 06 2009 at 4:28pm
Angry So fomething in my tank is attacking my fish, killing them then eating half? I have narrowed it down to a select few. Cleaner shrimp (he agressively has been chasing my fish lately and has not been coming up to my hand to eat like usual? must be full?) Emerald Crab ( heard these can be aggressive and territorial in a small tank) and Tiger Pistol Shrimp ( Just heard they may attack things as well, I feel its not likely since I hardly even see the lil guy) any suggestions? I have a percula clown, black ray goby paired with the pistol shrimp, green clown goby, and had a rainford goby but he died today. others to have been killed, peppermint shrimp, percula clown, blue neon goby.
Back to Top
CapnMorgan View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar
The Capn'

Joined: August 19 2009
Location: Tooele
Status: Offline
Points: 3537
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CapnMorgan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 4:47pm
I doubt the cleaner would be the culprit. They usually chase fish to clean them. You could have a mantis shrimp lurking in your tank somewhere. The trick is after lights out get a DIM flashlight and scan the rocks for it. Are your parameters all in line? If not the fish could be dying due to other circumstances and you're only seeing the aftermath of the cleanup crew doing their job. How long has the tank been running? It seems like you have it pretty heavily stocked for such a small space...
Steve
My Old 180G Mixed Reef
Currently:
120G Wavefront Mixed
29G Seahorse & Softies
Running ReefAngel Plus x2
435-8
Back to Top
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:13pm

well i had the water checked this week and it seemed to be perfect they said, it has been up for 3 weeks and i have kept 3-4 small fish in there with 10% water changes weekly, everything seemed to be healty until this week. I started feeding the fish every other day because i had been over feeding the tank which created a red slime problem, i got rid of that and things started dying, at first I thought it may be ich cause my blue neon arrived with it but lasted for 2 months with it and none of the other fish had it.

I was treating the fish with garlic in their food but it never cured the blue neon goby? Being new I have been confused about all this through time and I have also come to find most retail stores will tell you stuff just to make a buck or Two. Which is part of the reason I am over stocked on Livestock, Luckily in a month I can up grade to a larger tank. I just feel frustrated lol
Back to Top
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:17pm
i mean it has been up for 3 + months
Back to Top
CapnMorgan View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar
The Capn'

Joined: August 19 2009
Location: Tooele
Status: Offline
Points: 3537
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CapnMorgan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:18pm
Different types of garlic oil seem to work better in different tanks. I like seachem's Garlic Guard, worked wonders with my powder brown tang. I would check for a mantis shrimp, as they can hitch-hike inside live rock. Also I would just use a dim light to check out the tank at night and see if you can find the culprit. 3 weeks is a really new tank, you may just need to take things a little slower and let everything balance out.
Steve
My Old 180G Mixed Reef
Currently:
120G Wavefront Mixed
29G Seahorse & Softies
Running ReefAngel Plus x2
435-8
Back to Top
Nick801 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: July 03 2008
Location: Sandy
Status: Offline
Points: 4155
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nick801 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by jacobwilson222 jacobwilson222 wrote:

Angry So fomething in my tank is attacking my fish, killing them then eating half? I have narrowed it down to a select few. Cleaner shrimp (he agressively has been chasing my fish lately and has not been coming up to my hand to eat like usual? must be full?) Emerald Crab ( heard these can be aggressive and territorial in a small tank) and Tiger Pistol Shrimp ( Just heard they may attack things as well, I feel its not likely since I hardly even see the lil guy) any suggestions? I have a percula clown, black ray goby paired with the pistol shrimp, green clown goby, and had a rainford goby but he died today. others to have been killed, peppermint shrimp, percula clown, blue neon goby.



Jake did you ever notice the rainford eating? maybe it starved? or?


Back to Top
Mike Savage View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: July 15 2005
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 19173
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike Savage Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:21pm
IF it is one of the forementioned critters in your tank that is actually doing some killing I would suspect the Clownfish.
 
Mike


Back to Top
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:25pm
ya the rainford was eating like a champ, I saw him this morning then bam this afternoon his face was in a rock with his tail bit off, no sign of sickness?
Back to Top
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by CapnMorgan CapnMorgan wrote:

Different types of garlic oil seem to work better in different tanks. I like seachem's Garlic Guard, worked wonders with my powder brown tang. I would check for a mantis shrimp, as they can hitch-hike inside live rock. Also I would just use a dim light to check out the tank at night and see if you can find the culprit. 3 weeks is a really new tank, you may just need to take things a little slower and let everything balance out.
sorry i meant 3+ months and it was set up at my buddies for 3 more months at his house, so probably close to 6+ months I have had it for 3+ months and checked my water before adding livestock
Back to Top
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:27pm
thanks mike
Back to Top
badfinger View Drop Down
Guest
Guest


Joined: May 18 2009
Location: Murray, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 2079
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote badfinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:42pm
do you think it could be a mantis shrimp?
Back to Top
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by badfinger badfinger wrote:

do you think it could be a mantis shrimp?
I have been told to search for a mantis shrimp but I have no Idea on the size? or what to really look for
Back to Top
badfinger View Drop Down
Guest
Guest


Joined: May 18 2009
Location: Murray, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 2079
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote badfinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:54pm
they hide alot... so at night might be your best time to try and see them. i have never had one so i am not too sure on size, but i am sure they can be pretty small if they can be hitchhikers
Back to Top
Mike Savage View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: July 15 2005
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 19173
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike Savage Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 9:31pm
The Mantis Shrimp that I have seen as hitchhikers are pretty small. Maybe an inch to an inch and a quarter long and make a sound like a pistol shrimp. To me it sounds like someone tapping a nickel against the glass.
 
If you are lucky you might get to see him peek out of a hole in the rock:
 
 
If you are real lucky he may make a mad dash for a different hole while you have a camera in hand!
 
And if you are extremely luck then you won't have one at all!
 
Mike


Back to Top
kody72 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: October 05 2009
Location: North Ogden
Status: Offline
Points: 1466
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kody72 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 10:04pm
take your rock out deep it in just ro water for a few minutes and watch them crawl out I had 4 and 2 pistol that hitched hike in my rock
Back to Top
Mark Peterson View Drop Down
Paid Member
Paid Member
Avatar

Joined: June 19 2002
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 21436
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark Peterson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2009 at 2:28pm
LOLMike is funny and those are fantastic pics of a Mantis. How did you capture those?
 
Don't go taking the rock out yet. That's not good for the rock and there are other ways to do this before taking that last resort.
 
The first thing I thought of after reading that fish were half eaten was a Rock Crab but it depends on how and what part of them was eaten. As for the Goby stuck in the hole, it could have easily died of natural causes and then any of the fish could have nipped on the tail. Rock crabs are really easy to catch, Mantis Shrimp are a bit tougher. We can tell you how.
 
As for the Peppermint Shrimp, as they grow they must molt and the discarded exoskeleton can look like a dead shrimp.
 
We really need to see a pic of the tank to be able to help resolve this problem.
Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks:
www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244
Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
Back to Top
Mike Savage View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: July 15 2005
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 19173
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike Savage Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2009 at 8:26am
Thanks Mark. There was a lot of luck involved. I was photographing Scott Morrell's tank in Idaho and had the camera all set up and in my hand when this guy came out. He never stood a chance!
 
Mike


Back to Top
Mark Peterson View Drop Down
Paid Member
Paid Member
Avatar

Joined: June 19 2002
Location: Murray
Status: Offline
Points: 21436
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark Peterson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2009 at 9:42am
That is soooo coool. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks:
www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244
Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
Back to Top
jacobwilson222 View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar

Joined: September 19 2009
Location: SL, UT
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacobwilson222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2009 at 10:47am
Thank you all so much! I upgraded to a new tank this weekend and watched for a mantis shrimp, I had a seasoned pro helping me as well. I think the problem was too small of a tank and high salinity level =( all is well now I will post some pics of the new tank soon
Back to Top
CapnMorgan View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
Avatar
The Capn'

Joined: August 19 2009
Location: Tooele
Status: Offline
Points: 3537
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CapnMorgan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2009 at 1:58pm
Awesome! I'll keep my finger crossed for you.
Steve
My Old 180G Mixed Reef
Currently:
120G Wavefront Mixed
29G Seahorse & Softies
Running ReefAngel Plus x2
435-8
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.217 seconds.