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So I went out of town for a week. I had my wife feed the fish. I came back to hair algae all over the tank. I am wonder if it was a case of overfeeding. I recently was able to beat the algae problem, and have had very little hair algae for a while. Now it looks like it coming back. Also my star polyps have not opened up in three days. Any ideas?

I am wondering if placing chaeto in the display tank will help. I do not have a sump. Does chaeto require a huge flow to be effective?


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May try getting a green emerald crab or some CUC? The tank i left back home had a bunch of green hair algae after i left and that helped cut it down. Peroxide does a pretty good job of erradicating it if you can pull the rocks out.
 
It does sound like you have overfeeding which leads to more nutrients in the fluid column.
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Overfeeding is part of it, but feeding alone would not create a big hair algae problem in a week. This is the result of not having enough herbivores in a tank that was on the verge of a problem anyway. I know because I've seen it many times in my tanks and others. Ouch
Have you heard about my Ugly Green Haired Mermaid ?

I also just came back from a week away. My son was feeding my tanks. He was doing as I instructed because I wanted the Clownfish Nursery to be slightly overfed, but it led to a huge Cyano overgrowth, made worse by the death of one of the two Green Chromis.

Yes, Chaetomorpha can help but before we go there, a couple of questions may help us help you solve the problem most quickly and efficiently. Then I'll bet we'll have some suggestions on how to keep the problem from ever returning.Wink

1. How many herbivorous snails are in this tankQuestion
2. What size tankQuestion Nevermind, I found it. 65 hex
3. What fish are in this tankQuestion Nevermind, I found it. CB, sixline & 2 clowns
4. What things had you done to reduce the algae beforeQuestion
5. Can we see a picQuestion Nevermind, I found it. Hair algae is growing on every rock in the tank. That does not need to be. We can help you eliminate it. Thumbs Up

So we just need answers to #1 and #4


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Are you using an RO/DI?  What is your TDS if you are using one?  How often & how much are water changes?  Do you have a skimmer?  Are you running GFO?  How much live rock/live sand do you have in the tank? 

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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:


1. How many herbivorous snails are in this tankQuestion

I had about 40 at one point now, I am down to 10.

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:


4. What things had you done to reduce the algae beforeQuestion

I tried everything before with no luck including, increased water changes, used phosguard, limiting the time the light was on. What I think kicked it was when I upgraded my light. Went from a 96W PC to a 150W MH HQI. I also added purigen to my return on my protein skimmer.

 
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Originally posted by Reef'd Up Reef'd Up wrote:

Are you using an RO/DI?  What is your TDS if you are using one?  How often & how much are water changes?  Do you have a skimmer?  Are you running GFO?  How much live rock/live sand do you have in the tank? 



I buy water from Fish4U. I change 5 gallons a week, plus top with fresh water. Not using GFO (granulated ferrous oxide?). I have about 35 lbs of live rock, and 60 lbs of live sand (about 3 inches deep)
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How old are your bulbs?
 
Try using a clean-up crew that will naturally reproduce in your tank (it's what I do...no need to keep rebuying everything.)  I use Hawaiian Strombus snails, Stomatellas, reef-safe Limpets, mini-brittle starfish, reef-safe Asterina starfish, Collonistas, etc.  If any of those aren't common out there...I'll be bringing them with me!
 
The amount of live rock you have may not be enough surface/internal area to process all the waste in your aquarium...thus leading to outbreaks.  What type of skimmer do you have?  How often are you emptying how much?  I would also try GFO (you were correct).  Phosguard can leach excess aluminum into the aquarium, which has shown some harmful side effects.
 
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Down to 10 snails! Shocked that's the major reason for the problem algae. Feedings and water changes, yes, water changes, are constantly feeding algae. The only real defense is to have enough animals to eat the algae while it is still a tiny sprout on the rock. Once it gets long and out of control, it's a bigger hassle to remove. (It's not impossible, but is more trouble.)

The reason changing lights worked for a while is that along with other things you probably did like temporarily reducing light and trying to reduce nutrients, the algae that had grown under blue-white PC's had been beat, temporarily. But over time the algae has changed and when it was overfed for a week, it flourished again.

This tank doesn't appear mature enough to me, to have the size of Stomatella and Collinista snail populations that would be required to keep algae under control. Plus, the Six-Line Wrasse is eating the algae eating bug population and would eat any baby snails being produced. The only herbivorous fish, the Coral Beauty is not enough to keep up with the algae growth. Not that another algae eating fish is needed, but it would certainly help.

Snails are the ideal algae control.
In the wild, in the surf and tidal zones which our tanks most closely approximate, snails and other herbivores are everywhere, like one every 3-6 inches.
We are fortunate to have a source of modestly priced Astrea and Cerith Snails here in SLC. On this forum "Chad" is the name and snails are his game. Contact Chad about getting 70 Astrea Snails, 20 Cerith Snails and 10 Hermits. You may be pleasantly surprised at the price. When they have done their job, it's easy to sell or trade a few of them here on the MB. This is recommended so they don't starve in your newly cleaned tank.

Adding the 100 snails and hermits is actually step #2. Here is a list of the other needed actions:
1. Stop feeding for 5 days and feed only half as much from then on. Fish and the entire tank does much better with less supplemental food.
2. Add and keep replenished sufficient numbers of snails, typically one/gallon depending on the need.
3. Stop the weekly water changes and from now on just do monthly 5 gal water changes. New saltwater feeds algae. Monthly 10% water changes are all that's needed if you know about Alk and Ca. Many of us do less than monthly water changes. Embarrassed
4. Use PO4(Phosphate) remover for the next month. It doesn't matter which kind. Neither one is harmful. PO4 remover should only be used periodically, not continuously.
5. Place some kind of additional algae in the tank. Algae is awesome. There are some beautiful Macroalgae species. Chaetomorpha is ugly but cool because it does not attach to anything and can be placed in a holder somewhere near the light so it eats up pollution before other algae can eat it. Feel free to look at different Macroalgae in other hobbyist tanks to see which ones you would like to try.
6. If necessary, to kill really long hair algae, use the lights out procedure mentioned in the links below.

In the end, the control of nuisance algae means less maintenance work not more. Smile

Did you read the link posted earlier about my Ugly Green Haired Mermaid? Other good readings about algae control are in the Tips and How To's section of the thread linked below.

Please feel free to call and come visit to see my coral farm and Clownfish Nursery and to learn more about keeping nuisance algae out of your tank. Smile
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