LF Sedra Needle Wheel Impeller

Do sixlines do that to? I have been thinking about getting one and i never heard anything like that about them.

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Edited by ReefdUp - October 27 2012 at 7:48pm

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Edited by ReefdUp - October 27 2012 at 7:49pm

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Edited by ReefdUp - October 27 2012 at 7:49pm

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Edited by ReefdUp - October 27 2012 at 7:49pm

Just because they use it doesn't mean it is required for them. Then again I'm not a marine biologist or pretend to have the knowledge of one, that's just I pulled up from researching it.

Ok I have one question though, did you actually talk to the LFS about it? I see in your original post you "hope the LFS sees this and fixes the issue" but did you actually discuss it with them? 

It seems counterproductive to vent here before even talking to them is all, mistakes happen and sometimes LFS personnel may not know whats best for a particular fish, sometimes a chat may clarify things, I've mentioned stuff to stores in the past and had an "oh, really??" response where the issue was simply that they didn't know and corrected the issue after getting some advice.

The point is you can't always attribute mal-intent when the problem could very well be ignorance, most of these LFS's are run by a (comparative to big chain) small group of individuals that you can generally converse with.

If you want to be proactive and help correct an issue, go to to the source and talk with the people involved, if you don't get anywhere then maybe public opinion would be the next step.

It Is possible they had it in bare bottom to treat it's ich though since it can be treated in a bare bottom tank as well as keeping fish in bare bottoms. What about other employees? I'm sure it could have been mentioned to them as it may or may have not been passed on to the owner. 

That wasn't blasting, it was in fact a response to your original post, I did not see you post anything about the owner not being there in the thread but what I said still applies... What is the intended goal here? You're angry at some place you didn't name for a reason that was not communicated with the place and want people to be angry about it too is how it comes across honestly, I don't see a solution or end goal here being brought up to actually alleviate the mentioned issue with said fish at the LFS. 

If you wanted to address the issue with the LFS you could have in any number of ways... Talked to an employee, gotten contact info for the owner, shot them an email, come in a different time... the list goes on. You didn't give them a chance to fix things before going public is all I was saying, even if you didn't name the LFS it's still kind of off base.

On the education bit, if you wanted to educate on wrasse care then why even bring anecdotal evidence into it? Why challenge other anecdotal evidence against anecdotal evidence? People's personal experience is just that, anecdotal, offering just that is opinion. If you have some documented fact that you then want to offer personal experience as supplemental, that on the other hand does come across better. 

You're still however dodging the issue that you made the topic for, being angry at one entity for improper wrasse care but also not talking to them about it before getting others riled up about it.

Honestly, I thought your heart was in the right place but that you were just going about it wrong, if you take personal issue with me for my assessment of an issue in this public discussion then theres not much else to say.

even as someone who has been in this hobby for less than a year, I see a LOT of stupid stuff that EVEN beginners SHOULD know better at some of the stores.  I won't mention names either, but one very popular store in the general SLC area pours the water that comes in with the fish into the aquariums.  They don't drip acclimate their fish.  They just float the bags for a few minutes and pour them in.  This is NOT hear say.  I watched them do it myself on two different occasions when I was at their store and they got fish in.  I would never buy a fish from them that I myself haven't seen it in their tanks for a few days to make sure the shock of how they have been treated doesn't kill them.

You can defend some of these local stores all you want, but some of them are not in this for anything other than to make a buck.  They care NOT what they do to the fish, and they don't really seem to care if they live when you get them.  The more I frequent the local stores the less I feel that the owners around here have a clue, or even care to get a clue.  It is all about them thumping their chests telling everyone THEY know it all and better than anyone else.  AND saying whatever they can to convince you to buy THEIR ideas. 

Sorry, but I am tired of every time I deal with a store owner in the salt water business in this town, all I hear is how much they know and how stupid every other owner in this town is.  How their ideas are best and the other stores are run by idiots.  I have never seen a hobby where there is so much bad mouthing of each other around this town.  There are a couple of stores that my wife had rather not even go to because the owners are such pompous asses and bad mouthing everyone else that they piss her off.

Sorry, but the tone of some of these posts here remind me of why I would never believe or totally trust ANY of the store owners in this area without doing my own research into what is right and making up my own mind.  What all of these self-proclaimed experts are too stupid to realize is that in this hobby there is at least 3 ways to do anything that all work.  This is simple chemistry in a lot of ways.  I have 2 degrees in Chemical Engineering, so most of this is not as hard to understand as some people want you to believe.  Look around, there are multiple tanks in this club all doing quite well, with various setups and methods of doing stuff.  NO ONE method works and is the ONLY way to do things. 

So I think she should have made them call the owner and ask him what the hell he was doing to that fish.   I would like to know what store it was and go there myself.  If we don't hold these stores accountable, then they will keep selling sick fish, mistreated fish, and selling beginners stuff that they shouldn't have.  I have been in several of the stores and heard them tell beginners something that I didn't think was right, then come home and look it up and they have sold someone a fish that is NOT reef safe and told them, yes it is perfectly reef safe.  OR lots of other crap that isn't right.

On the other hand, a couple of the people who run their fish business out of their house are the exact opposite and are all about the hobby, and the quality of what they sell.  One in the Ogden area that I try to stop by every time I am in Ogden to see what he has in stock is one example of a conscientious store owner.  All about quality and making sure the fish are healthy and right.  And I have never heard him say a single bad thing about anyone else.  Bill is a class act!


Sorry about the rant.  But I am tired of these local stores and their employees.