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    Posted: August 27 2011 at 5:28pm
I got a very large plate in a trade and it is dying on me:( I have taken it out and done an iodine dip and gently scrubbed the dying stuff with a toothbrush but by the next day it is back to the dying stage on the edges? Do I need to cut it back to where the parts that aren't dying or what can I do?

It is a long tentacle plate.

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Cut off the dying parts and 1/4" into the "good" part
 
Place it low in the tank for at least 1 week, near at least a little flow to keep slime from building up
 
That's about all you can do
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Ok thanks:(
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I would not cut it up, but I would move the coral to a good flow area of the sand where waste can be efficiently removed and food efficiently brought to it.

I don't mean extra feeding, I mean the food that naturally occurs in the water is what feeds it. Have you ever noticed how Coralline algae grows really well in a high flow area. That's because more nutrients are being brought to it there than in a slower water flow area.

Often it's the physical damage that occurred in a move that starts this issue. Coral flesh is cut by it's own skeleton when it bumps into the bag or the side of the bucket or the hands that handled it. Combine that with the stress of moving into different water, with possibly coral aleopathic chemicals it didn't have to deal with in the old tank. That starts it dieing back. Using new AC can be helpful to remove those aleopathic chemicals. Fungia like the sand so find a place on the sand that's darker than the place it came from and has good laminar flow to wash away waste and bring dissolved nutrients for feeding.

If the coral dies, leave it there because in time dozens of budding babies may start growing up from in between the skeleton ridges.  Smile


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Without seeing a pic or knowing your chemicals/tank parameters, it's hard to say.  Definitely run carbon as previously mentioned.
 
I've rescued quite a few almost goners...so you may get some good advice in this thread:
 
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Oh, and I'd handle the coral as little as possible from the start (Fungia are terribly susceptible to damage around the edges where even our gentle grasp cuts the flesh against the sharp radial ridges. I would use a turkey baster or large syringe to help the current blow off the deteriorating flesh.

That's a good link Reef'd Up. I remember you posted that before, soon after you joined utahreefs, before moving to Utah. I assume you will be attending meetings and becoming a member of the WMAS.Smile I agree with many things MechEng99 said about how to help coral recover.

One of the things I've learned over about 15 years of growing coral for profit is that they want to live, are very resilient and will recover when left alone in a good environment. Unfortunately, too many hobbyists don't understand what a good environment is and immediately jump to medicate, treating the coral like a sick person in a sterile hospital, which too often makes things worse. I have never used a QT tank, prefering instead to keep my tanks as naturally healthy as possible.

Coral can recover and often will rapidly grow back over recently exposed skeleton. I will often use a toothbrush to clean the algae off of a skeleton so the coral has a chance to recolonize it. There is a difficulty in cutting away bare skeleton. First, the handling bothers the coral and second, cutting can go awry and the coral cracks up in unintentional directions. Using a saw gives control but is very irritating to an already stressed coral. IME, if old skeleton must be removed, it's often better to wait for a while, until the coral has stabilized. Oh, and often a coral will appear to be deteriorating further, when in fact it's stabilizing inward a bit from the outer edge of flesh that was already compromised, so don't worry if a little more flesh sloughs off. Within a few days that flesh will wash away and the new edge of flesh will look normal and start expanding outwards.

This is just 2 cents from an old timer. Smile
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Oh yes, I will be attending meetings and joining...just need to finish unpacking before having fun.  :)  I'm hoping to make the swap coming up, especially since it sounds much different than ones I've attended before. 
 
Anyway, yes, I agree with you that cutting away bare skeleton can be a bit disastrous.  But, as you said above, coral flesh is often cut by its own skeleton.  What I meant in my thread might not have come across how I meant it.  If a coral is really really bad looking, I'll leave it alone.  But, if there are huge chunks of skeleton far away from healthy tissue, I will cut that off if I can do it quickly and without any chance of damaging the coral.  I also cut the really sharp points of skeleton off (like on bubble corals).  I've found by snipping the sharp points off, when the healthy tissue reinflates, it doesn't tear.  When the coral is more healthy, I'll trim the skeleton further.  It's by no means an exact science, but I've rescued a LOT of corals...and what I'm doing seems to work.
 
I wouldn't cut a Fungia skeleton for two main reasons.  First off, it's not a very sharp skeleton and isn't likely to hold a lot of pests.  Second, like you said Mark, they are likely to grow babies off any remaining tissue. 
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I hate to see sick things in my tank, and I'm sure we all feel the need to DO something, but I must agree with the other comments made so far to leave the coral alone and try to give it the best possible water parameters without stressing it.

I introduced a tang once that brought ich into the tank.  I immediately set up a QT and medicated the fish as soon as I was sure that the issue was ich.  The QT only made the fish worse as it was more stressed by the medication and by being moved again to a tank that was much less favorable than the main display tank.  As soon as I saw that, I put the fish back in the main display tank, but it was too late and the fish died.  As a result of introducing the ich to the tank, my yellow tang, which had already been well established contracted ick and I was tempted to remove the fish, but instead I just kept a close eye on my water parameters and tried to keep the sandbed nice and clean and my tang pulled through.  Fish and corals are very sensitive to stress and my experience has shown that the less stress we apply to the fish, the more likely they are to recover when they are ill.
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You might be surprised to learn that besides not using a QT/Hospital tank, I have never dipped a coral in iodine, though I don't dispute it's effectiveness if the problem is due to a bacteria or a virus.

It seems that every year some new bit of information comes along in this hobby which helps us keep our aquarium a little better than before. One of the biggest breakthroughs was in using Garlic Oil to prevent Ich from killing fish.
But Garlic Oil is not a cure.
It has nothing to do with the fishes immune system (Ich is an invertebrate animal, not a bacteria or virus)
It does seem to keep the Ich parasite from bothering the fish. Hooray for Garlic. Thumbs Up
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Wow, that is pretty cool.  Maybe the little protozoans just don't like garlic, or maybe they are vampires.
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