Print Page | Close Window

Hard Corals Receding...

Printed From: Utah Reefs
Category: Specialized Discussion
Forum Name: SPS
Forum Description: This is the place to ask questions SPS corals.
URL: http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=537
Printed Date: December 14 2025 at 11:51pm
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.03 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: Hard Corals Receding...
Posted By: Ryan Willden
Subject: Hard Corals Receding...
Date Posted: May 19 2003 at 3:16pm

Here's a question I'm going to throw out to anyone who has experience with my problem, or strong advice to offer regarding it.

 

I added my Kalk Reactor about a month ago that runs only at night. I have some corals that are thriving off it. However, I have a few corals that are not doing so well. I wondered if there�s something I�m missing, or out of place.

 

My Calcium level is at 505 which I know is a little high, the Alkalinity tested at 2.75 -3.0 meq/L, and my pH is steady at about 8.2

 

The corals that are doing well are my Colt coral, Toadstool Leathers, Frogspawn/branching hammer, Green Brain, Acropora, Xenia, Galaxia, Mushrooms, and a few others. I also have some green star polyps that are growing like crazy under these conditions.

 

However, I have a few corals that are not doing so hot: Pagoda, Cup Coral (which are the same type of coral obviously) Plate coral (receding at the mouth,) Flowerpot (which is receding from the bottom up)(I know that flowerpots usually suck anyway.) These are all hard corals with a skeleton of sorts, but I don�t know why they are receding so badly. Any ideas?

 

FYI: Some other things to consider is that the corals I'm having problems with are not close enough to any other corals to be stung. I have an 80 gallon tank with 2- 250 watt metal halides, and 2- 110 Watt SuperActinic VHO's. It's been up and running for about 2 years with slight modifications/improvements in lighting, etc. over time. The Pagoda and Cup are placed near the top (possible burning???) and the Plate coral and Flower pot are both in the sand at the bottom of the tank (Not enough light?)

 

Thanks, Ryan Willden

801-824-4598




Replies:
Posted By: WhiteReef
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 7:35am
I would wonder if the Kalk-Reactor is lowering your pH during the night.  Have you tested your pH level before the lights come on?  As this might be a possible reason.  Another thing to possibly consider is if there are small particles in the water due to the introduction of the Kalk-Reactor.  I know this does not answer your question, but these are things to consider because kalkwasser is known to alter the pH of the water, and simply at night the pH of the water can change too without the introduction of kalkwasser.  If it were me, I would be running the kalk-reactor during the day as the pH of the water can be stablized more easily by the things happening in the tank during the day.

-------------
----------------

Richard

Former 47G Column Reef, Magna
20" x 18" x 31"H


Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 8:01am

Normally, kalk is dripped in the evening.  It has a pH raising effect which counters your tanks natural tendency to drop in pH as the evening progresses.  Therefore, it's very common to operated kalk reactors during the lights out phase.

Ryan, is there solids carryover in the reactor that might be setting out on the effected corals?



-------------
Jon

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing...



Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 10:05am

IMO I would lower you Calcium level to 400-450 and see if this helps.  I don't think you are gaining anything by keep in the calcium in the 500 range. 

Have you tested your pH at night?  Maybe the Kalkwasser is making the pH raise too high.

 



-------------
Jake Pehrson

Murray

http://coralplanet.com" rel="nofollow - coralplanet.com

http://utahbeeranch.com" rel="nofollow - :)


Posted By: Ryan Willden
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 12:24pm

I have been running the Reactor at night. pH is lower at night than it is during the day. One of the functions of a kalk reactor is to help stabilize that decrease in pH during "light's off." I tested the pH most recently in  the morning, when I figure the pH would be the highest in regards to running the reactor at night, and I got an 8.2 reading.

Jake, I know the Calcium is a little high, but would you recommend lowering the calcium, or raising the Alkalinity?

Jon, no solids carryover that I have seen. The mix is dripped very slowly into the sump, and then distributed through the main tank.

Ryan



Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 12:53pm

re:  Alk/Ca,  if it were me I would not raise the alk from where it is (at least not until the calcium is lowered).  If you want to lower the calcium, just stop using the kalk reactor.  Get some baking soda and add just enough to keep/maintain your alk where it is and the calcium level will slowly drop.  When it gets down in the mid 400s, start up the kalk again and if desired raise your alk into the 3 - 4 meq/l range.

Maybe someone here has experience running with calcium in the 500s and would suggest a different tact... I'm not comfortable at that high level.



-------------
Jon

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing...



Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 2:53pm

Ryan,

I would say lower your calcium and keep your Alkalinity right where it is.  Although you could raise your Alkalinity up a little I wouldn't recommend this until the calcium level is where you want it.

I guess what I am saying is that I agree with Jon.



-------------
Jake Pehrson

Murray

http://coralplanet.com" rel="nofollow - coralplanet.com

http://utahbeeranch.com" rel="nofollow - :)


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 6:12pm
This may sound simple but if the problem started after beginning operation of the kalk reactor and there were no other changes made(increase of temperature due to warmer weather, etc.), why not just turn off the reactor and observe? My guess is the SUDDEN increase in calcium levels which also affected KH is the culprit.


Posted By: Ryan Willden
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 9:00pm

I'll try lowering the Calcium level a bit. I don't know that turning off the reactor completely for a few corals, when all the others are thriving is the best answer, but I'll kill it for a couple of days and see what happens. I'm also going to try swapping out the MH bulbs I'm using to see if they are exposing high UV rays into the system. They were cheap bulbs, and may be causing the problem also...

Thanks guys. I have a lot to consider. If anyone is interested in an "all expense paid" (gas money that is) field trip to Stansbury Park, I'd love to have some pointers from some of the Advanced members of our club regarding my particular setup, and water parameters. I've dumped a ton of money into this thing, and it's not going as smoothly as I had hoped...

Thanks, Ryan

801-824-4598



Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: May 20 2003 at 10:47pm

Ryan,  Like I said before, I've never ran with calcium levels as high as you've got, but my gut feeling is that your water (calcium/alkalinity) is fine.  I've never heard of any bad biological effects of high calcium (I've never heard of any good biological effects either).  Anyone know/read differently?

There are two ways to lower your calcium (as I see it).  First is to just let nature take it's course, stop adding any additional calcium, but keep adding carbonates (baking soda) to maintain alkalinity and your corals will consume both.  The second option is to add more carbonates (baking soda) to your water raising the alkalinity to 5 meq/l (8 teaspoons...SWAG), this will cause the calcium and carbonates to react together (chemically not biologically) forming calcium carbonate (CaCO3).  This will crash both alkalinity and calcium.  Go slow with the baking soda and monitor the calcium levels.  It's probably very easy to overshoot here and drop calcium levels through the floor.  I'd suggest the first option

Good luck I wish I could help (I hope it's the lights)!



-------------
Jon

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing...




Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd. - https://www.webwiz.net