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    Posted: November 08 2014 at 6:46pm
I picked up a Brute commercial nsf can to mix my saltwater for water changes. It has sat mixing for about 2 weeks (circulation pump and heater 76 degrees) I tested it today before the water change and all parameters were ok except phosphates are at .25 via a Hanna checker. I don't have another kit or way to test again with a different test kit. I cleaned the can with Rodi water prior to use and yet this is one of the Brute cans that is talked about to be safe for food. Do I give up on the brute cans for this task. Mark I know a picture is worth a 1000 words so I will post one of the can ASAP ;)
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It's great, use it.

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With phosphates of .25 Adam. I am trying to keep them under .04 did I miss something along the way with water chemistry and phosphates? I am certainly open to learning, Adam can you tell me why this level is acceptable to use for my water change?
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Hmm do you always test your water before doing a water change? is this the first time you have got a higher than normal reading on your phosphate levels?

.25 is still pretty low in my opinion ... Id use it...

if you where getting a reading of  .50 Id say go double check it at a lfs


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It's not unusual for some plastics (especially Rubbermaid brand products) to leach a little bit of something, even PO4. The oils and chemicals used to make the hot plastic release from the mold contain PO4. Did the container get cleaned with a little soap and rinsed out with RO water before useQuestionAlso, remember that something listed as safe for humans is not necessarily safe for invertebrate marine animals. If the container was not rinsed prior, I would probably discard the salt water and start over after a good cleaning with soap and a good rinse and wipe dry with a clean rag.

Purified water because of it's high capacity to dissolve whatever is in it, can actually draw some chemicals out of plastic. This is typically not significant enough to bother the reef, but in the first few uses, I would not leave the container to sit long with just RO water. I'd probably throw some salt in ahead of the water.

What is the PO4 level of the aquarium water?
I believe PO4 removal media is being used, right? What kind?

I consider .25 ppm PO4 to be on the high side in a reef tank but ordinarily we don't hear of anyone testing for PO4 in their new salt water. We just accept that the mix we bought has low phosphates. All algae, including zooxanthellae algae in coral need some PO4. As you know, the Refugium algae will eat a little of the excess and PO4 removal media, AA or GFO, would typically suck out the rest. 

It's good to be concerned about Phosphate levels both high and low. I recently saw the evidence on a Mushroom Leather coral that the water had too little PO4. Small yellow patches appeared in places where the leather started to die and decompose so I removed the little bag of 1/2 cup of AA that sits in a spot of good flow. Within just two days the coral opened up and began to recover.

Lastly, I'm curious why the water was left mixing for as long as it was. I mix up salt in cool RO water and pour it right in to the tank. Never had any problems. On the other hand, I once left a 5 gal bucket of salt water sealed with a lid for 3 weeks. When it was used for a water change it killed the 20 gal tank. Luckily, there wasn't much in the tank. I believe that if I had aerated that water before adding it would not have caused a problem. So nowadays I almost always aerate newly mixed salt water by pouring it back and forth between buckets once or twice before adding to the tank.

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Agreed with the above.  I'd mix the water and use it.  I'd also assume that phosphate could be quickly consumed in the system.  

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I am running GFO and carbon through a dual reactor. I checked the po4 level as my old can which was not a Brute was leeching a tremendous amount of po4 and caused an issue in my tank after months of weekly water changes (gha, diatoms etc) I have got the tank back under control but thought I would check the saltwater from the can prior to the change. I did clean the can prior to using it as stated before. My DT reads 0.00 on the Hanna low checker although I'm still having to clean my glass every 3 days and sand being kept clean via 2 tiger conch and sand sifting star fish. This is why I'm a bit overly cautious of po4 now.
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The best plastic containers for our use are made from HDPE (high density polyethylene). Look on the bottom of a typical 5 gal bucket and you will see the mark indicating the type of plastic as "HDPE". I briefly looked on the Rubbermaid site and couldn't find any indication but did find that they are made with recycled material. I'm not sure that is a good thing in this case, if some of the re-used plastic is prone to leach PO4. 

In the short term, simply use the water as quick as its ready and without heating it. Alternatively place a small bag of AA in the Brute while its filling and mixing. AA removes PO4 very fast and easy by being in a media bag in some water flow.

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