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 Posted: April 23 2011 at 2:58am |
It's good to see people speak up! And Josh, your more then welcome! Kody, we will spread the love..  . LOL. Pam
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lol it all good Kody. You are lots of help I just didnt put your help in because I looked back and just put the name of the helpful people on that post. TWO of the name I can remember right away because Ashley talked a lot about ptonsp and bstuver. She really likes the two of them. They both took the time and pmed ashley and made her feel better about the whole thing.
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 8:47am |
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Drama is back! Sarcasm aside Learning to agree to disagree is important There is no right or wrong way just your way and my way. Everyone has their off days take what you interpret as tudes with a grain of salt and we can all get along . If I offended anyone then clearly my point was missed and I apoligize . How is the coral looking now ? That would be what I am most intersted in . there is no perfect action only perfect intention.
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 9:35am |
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i have to say that most of you have been too harsh on Mark. for everyone out there this is the FACT. even the experts that write the books and text books that we learn from are all based at least partly on assumtion!! and experince. everyone has a diffrent take on reef tanks, what works what dose not. if you dont want help dont ask, if you post something dont expect to always get the conclusion that you have come to. that is how you learn about new things. also i have to say Mark is right on the fact that if you rush a reef you will fail that is very well known. im sorry if this offends you but its my thoughts. |
To harsh on Mark? Have you not seen the post where he belittles people and makes them feel like an idiot? He sent my husband a harsh PM saying he was mad at him and that he was a fish killer.. Plus he's called a few people that ON THE BOARDS. I love getting advice from people. But there is a wright way and a wrong way of giving it. If your way of giving it is making people feel bad then it's best left unsaid.
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Dion Richins
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 9:58am |
This is just my 2 bits. My tanks wouldn't be the way they are if it wasn't for Marks Guidance in the early years. DO I follow his advice completely? No. In fact he and I have different opinions about half of the time. However he is truly trying to help.
Its obvious that there is a personality conflict with Mark and others. I guess its my thick skin that it doesn't bother me if he says I'm doing something wrong. I understand those that have frustrations and are upset over his advice. Unfortunately that is the Internet world. I don't frequent boards that I don't like. I am/have been active in 9 other club boards in the past. Some of them have way different ideas in Reef keeping. Some are similar. ALL clubs have a "Mark" that means well but sounds like as ass sometimes. Its life.
We have had a few that were incredibly worse and they are no longer on this board.
Over the years some have questioned that call but in the over all health of the club it was good. I do see them post else where and its funny that they don't change. Just those around them do.
My suggestion is this. There are over 2000 members of this board. Ill bet there are 2000 differing opinion on just about everything. Ignore the opinions of the ones you don't like. Listen to several points of view from those you do like and draw your own conclusion. YOU will fail at times. YOU will win at others. Even those of us that have been doing this for years nuke a tank from time to time. We are all playing GOD when we try to manage these Eco systems.
We are all different. This club is a non profit organization. It is the only local club owned Ran and contributed by its members. We have more people on line at 2am than any other club in the valley has had on at any time. Thats why we come here for advice and friendship in our little obsession. Lets all stop with the drama like my crazy friend in Evanston said and get back to helping the problem at hand.
As far as your coral, You've gone to the best Fish Store around for advice. (IMO) You have had some great people look at your tank and offered their advice. My suggestion would be to chose which advice you want to follow and do so. Then sit back and leave it alone and see what happens. It will not correct its self overnight. Something I'm confident you already know.
In 2 weeks lets see a picture and see how its coming. IF it starts rapidly RtNing then frag the shit out of it and hopefully some will live. Some times they just die. Just like Fish.
I saw a whole shipment of Walt Smiths Aquacultured corals come in looking awesome. A week later they were all dead. We called around and it was happening system wide. Some times crap happens. Ive had coral out of well established tanks die over night. Others 3 months later. All of our systems are different.
So back to my advice. (for what its worth) Do what ever you are going to do and LEAVE it alone. Watch it and let it adjust and heal. Then lets see what it looks like in 2 weeks.
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 9:59am |
Kristine Woolsey wrote:
If your way of giving it is making people feel bad then it's best left unsaid.
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I completely agree with this comment :)
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 10:37am |
Dion Richins wrote:
This is just my 2 bits. My tanks wouldn't be the way they are if it wasn't for Marks Guidance in the early years. DO I follow his advice completely? No. In fact he and I have different opinions about half of the time. However he is truly trying to help.
Its obvious that there is a personality conflict with Mark and others. I guess its my thick skin that it doesn't bother me if he says I'm doing something wrong. I understand those that have frustrations and are upset over his advice. Unfortunately that is the Internet world. I don't frequent boards that I don't like. I am/have been active in 9 other club boards in the past. Some of them have way different ideas in Reef keeping. Some are similar. ALL clubs have a "Mark" that means well but sounds like as ass sometimes. Its life.
We have had a few that were incredibly worse and they are no longer on this board.
Over the years some have questioned that call but in the over all health of the club it was good. I do see them post else where and its funny that they don't change. Just those around them do.
My suggestion is this. There are over 2000 members of this board. Ill bet there are 2000 differing opinion on just about everything. Ignore the opinions of the ones you don't like. Listen to several points of view from those you do like and draw your own conclusion. YOU will fail at times. YOU will win at others. Even those of us that have been doing this for years nuke a tank from time to time. We are all playing GOD when we try to manage these Eco systems.
We are all different. This club is a non profit organization. It is the only local club owned Ran and contributed by its members. We have more people on line at 2am than any other club in the valley has had on at any time. Thats why we come here for advice and friendship in our little obsession. Lets all stop with the drama like my crazy friend in Evanston said and get back to helping the problem at hand.
As far as your coral, You've gone to the best Fish Store around for advice. (IMO) You have had some great people look at your tank and offered their advice. My suggestion would be to chose which advice you want to follow and do so. Then sit back and leave it alone and see what happens. It will not correct its self overnight. Something I'm confident you already know.
In 2 weeks lets see a picture and see how its coming. IF it starts rapidly RtNing then frag the shit out of it and hopefully some will live. Some times they just die. Just like Fish.
I saw a whole shipment of Walt Smiths Aquacultured corals come in looking awesome. A week later they were all dead. We called around and it was happening system wide. Some times crap happens. Ive had coral out of well established tanks die over night. Others 3 months later. All of our systems are different.
So back to my advice. (for what its worth) Do what ever you are going to do and LEAVE it alone. Watch it and let it adjust and heal. Then lets see what it looks like in 2 weeks. |
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 10:50am |
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Kristine why so many users names
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 10:54am |
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HOw is that relevant to this post?
@ dion thanx
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 11:16am |
Sorry for me assuming  maybe I have you confused with some one else,
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 11:16am |
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So many? I only had my user name changed once...
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 11:20am |
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Sorry for me assuming and an other posting in an other one of your drama threads.
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one of my drama threads? Please tell me what other threads I posted in where I started the drama.
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 11:25am |
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Sorry for me assuming and an other posting in an other one of your drama threads. |
ummm WHAT?
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 1:21pm |
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Dion- SOMEONE HACKED YOUR ACCOUNT!!!
Your last couple posts were well said and summed up our thoughts. I think you once again posted as the voice of reason.
Now, let's all get back to spending our efforts and time answering questions and helping others.
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 2:19pm |
BnK wrote:
jaschall wrote:
Sorry for me assuming and an other posting in an other one of your drama threads. |
ummm WHAT? |
I love when someone sticks up for themselves or points out a problem or opinion it always gets labeled " Drama threads". And then when the statement is made they go back and edit it to make it appear as if they didn't say it or stir the pot. This is EXACTLY what we are referring to earlier in this post about what Mark has done to us personally just to make us appear to look like the jack @ss. If stating your opinion is considered "Drama", so be it, but where I come from it's called "Freedom of speech". Pam
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 2:29pm |
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I also wanted to say that Mark has some good advice from time to time and has been in this hobby a very long time, we are giving him that. The problem that is being addressed here is the way he goes about offering his advice out to people. Speaking down to someone is not what I call productive.
If this seems to be a common problem with Mark I would think Mark would want to reflect on himself and not spend so much time talking down and belittling the attempts of others. PERIOD! This entire thread I have not seen Mark step up to the plate and explain his actions? Doesn't that seem odd to some?
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 3:13pm |
Adam Blundell wrote:
Dion- SOMEONE HACKED YOUR ACCOUNT!!!
Your last couple posts were well said and summed up our thoughts. I think you once again posted as the voice of reason.
Now, let's all get back to spending our efforts and time answering questions and helping others.
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Crap! I am making a habit out of it ;( Ill try to go back to the lose cannon Ive always been known for!
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 3:14pm |
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+1 on pams post
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Posted: April 23 2011 at 4:02pm |
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So now that we have fully bashed on Mark....how's the coral doing or should this thread be renamed?
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