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Topic: Tangs Posted: May 17 2012 at 5:22pm |
If I was looking at a 30g, a tang wouldn't even be a consideration. If I'm not able to get one, I'll be fine with it. My #1 fish is hopefully going to be a marine betta. :)
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Posted: May 17 2012 at 5:02pm |
There was a guy who kept 3 tangs in a red sea 130, they looked ok and fat. they were 5 inches, hows that for small tank for tangs. He kept them for 2 years, they were small at the begining but really?
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Posted: May 17 2012 at 4:57pm |
That's why the only tangs I've even looked at are the smaller Ctenochaetus
tangs
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Posted: May 17 2012 at 4:47pm |
Mark Peterson wrote:
Well,... I don't mean to be disagreeable, but I have kept Tangs in smaller tanks and have a good friend who had a 5" Naso in a 50 gal cube. It did well for 2 years very happy and active until a large rock crab grabbed it by the snout. If you would like, I'd be happy to advise you how to do it so everything works out.
| Or just ask weberlaxplayer. His group of tangs were very happy in his small tank also. I think they may have even told him that! Sure, people keep tangs in small tanks all the time and they all sing Kumbaya together. And people butt in line at the supermarket because somehow their time is more valuable then yours. Yada yada. Still doesn't make it okay. There are many many beautiful small fish. I have nine of them in our 265G display tank and one beautiful 6" Male Blond Naso Tang. You'll get opinions on both side of the fence. However, I would suggest any "pet" in general, that will outgrow your living accommodations should never be brought home in the first place.
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Posted: May 17 2012 at 2:38pm |
Tangs and tank size is a guaranteed argument most everywhere. This forum is probably one of the "nicest" places you will find. Everyone here is trying to be helpful, but I can tell you that if you posted your specific fish load and tank size on just about any of the major reef keeping forums on line- you would be flamed, assassinated, and generally end up being just about tarred and feathered by the "tang police" as they are often termed.
Your getting a pretty nice calm response from everyone here.
That said, your very very very far outside of anything close to a recommended tang#/tank size ratio, so far outside of it that you are basically guaranteed to not receive a single post saying that your OK. If you want to keep the tangs in the tank... well, its your tank, no one is going to stop you but you might as well forget about asking for help or seeking validation because its simply not going to come from people who have experience with these fish.
Personally, I have a 3 ft long 57 gallon aquarium with a single yellow tang, and I have received at least one comment from an LFS employee that I should not have that fish in the tank... but they regularly stock and sell tang species that grow to about2 ft in length... and they have no problem doing so yet the number of tanks in the state that are capable of housing such an animal are probably less than the number of these animals they sell in a month, every month.
You can keep the fish, they might even live for a while and grow, but the reason your getting these responses is that its simply not anything close to a viable long term (or really even short term) strategy and your pretty much guaranteed to have infighting, injuries etc. Tangs as a species have a very thin slime coat- which is why they are typically the first to get and die from ich. So, if you had ich once and you did not remove all fish from the tank for a few months, and then bring them in one at a time through a quarantine tank for another month or two to observe them... you still have ich- so when your tangs get injured from fighting, hitting stuff, whatever, they will get ich again.
Hope this gives yet more perspective on why everyone says ... no.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 9:51pm |
Once I get moved and started on the build, I'm sure I'll be needing a lot of advice. lol
Ultimately, I want both the fish and myself happy with it.
And I want it shimmery.
Edited by cba191 - May 16 2012 at 9:52pm
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 9:51pm |
I have kept a tang in a sixty cube as well and had no problems, that's why I said I thought he would be fine in the first post I made as they are a smaller growing tang.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 9:36pm |
Well,... I don't mean to be disagreeable, but I have kept Tangs in smaller tanks and have a good friend who had a 5" Naso in a 50 gal cube. It did well for 2 years very happy and active until a large rock crab grabbed it by the snout. If you would like, I'd be happy to advise you how to do it so everything works out.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 6:01pm |
I figured the cube might be too restrictive. For me, it's a space issue. I would love a 48" tank, but couldn't fit more than 36". I've debated going with a 36"x 24"x 24 tank, but that would involve a total custom. I doubt that would fit the budget.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 5:55pm |
It's basically the cube part, they don't have enough swimming space.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 5:54pm |
That's what I'm afraid of. I've been thinking of a 93g cube as well, but with lighting there is a huge jump in expense.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 5:52pm |
Almost any full size tang will out grow a 60G- especially a 60 cube. Bristletooths included.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 5:50pm |
cba191 wrote:
On the subject of Tangs. Â I am looking at getting a 60g cube, but don't want fish that will outgrow it. Â Will one of these need more space fully grown?
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 5:36pm |
On the subject of Tangs. I am looking at getting a 60g cube, but don't want fish that will outgrow it. Will one of these need more space fully grown?
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 5:31pm |
I am not a scientist, but I don't think that nitrates can cause Ich. A fish living in poor water that gets Ich will have less of a chance of surviving the Ich though because it is already weak from the poor conditions. So do Nitrates help the spread of Ich? Yes, but that would be just because the fish is weakened by poor water. Nitrates won't create Ich.
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 2:57pm |
I know you cant test for ich, I meant nitrates which caused my ich out break
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Posted: May 16 2012 at 10:04am |
Ich isn't tested by kits was the point they were making. Tangs like live rock and hiding spots too.
I know this is a different forum, but this is a great thread that maybe we could add to this site as well. You should post your ideas there so that the veteran members can help you with compatibility before you spend your hard earned money on a potential disaster.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2068112
and here is a great resource for tang info: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1946007
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Posted: May 15 2012 at 4:19pm |
And yes I know what ick is.
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Posted: May 15 2012 at 4:17pm |
Yeah he was eating, my friend wanted one. Sorry I didnt mean for it to sound like you werr being mean, I know where you are all commin from... Sorry I meant my nitrate teat kit. Registered I had 0ppm. Then took it to the lfs and it registered at 100 ppm and their maxes out at 100 ppm so it could of been higher. I bought a new test kit and I now never have more than 5ppm.
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Posted: May 15 2012 at 10:40am |
Oh no!! I didn't feel like myself or anyone else was bashing. Sorry if you felt that way.
More so, I think people were trying to help with responsible reefkeeping so your pets did not suffer. So glad the shark has a new home. Is he eating now?
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