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    Posted: May 21 2006 at 8:06pm
Well .. it seems that I have a small outbreak of red flat worms .. :( .. I was so carfull .. but I guess you cant see them all .... anyhow .. I have been wanting a Mandarin since I setup my tank .. but I wanted to make sure that I had a good pod population going .. but now with the outbreak of flat worms .. do you think he would be ok? .. the tank is 4 1/4 months old .. tuns of pos .. now flatworms ... I have a fuge that is pretty populated with pods as well ...
 
What do you guys think? .. will the Mandarin eat red flatworms? (research has told my they do but will fly right by a flatworm to grab a pod) ...
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Tough call on the mandarin consuming the flatworms. This seems to somewhat hit and miss. You will likely hear just as many negative results as positive in regards to that question.

However, the size of your tank suggests that a mandarin would be fine. I have had one in my 120 for years. He will occasionally take frozen mysis if it hits him in the snout.
I would likely go ahead and give it a try. If the mandarin won't hit on the flatworms, there will likely be plenty of other food for it.
 
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I agree with Shane about the mandarin... coris, 6 line, and 8 line wrasses would be my suggestion for flatworms, but could mean trouble for shrimp.
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Trust me your tank is not ready for a Mandarin.  Not even close.  I really would advise against it.  I think you'd be sad and dissapointed with it.
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Well .. I do have shrimp .. so a wrasse is out of the question ... what else can I do to rid the flatworms? . I really dont want to buy a mandarin ... but I dont want a flat worm infestation ....

I guess I could try the chemical solution ... but I hate dumping anything into a tank ...

ya know .. I really wish people would tell you they have/had issues with there crap before they sell it to you ... this really pisses me off!!! ... if I had known that there was a flat worm issue I could have done something about it before I put it in my tank ..
 
I know this could be turned around by saying it was my falt for not putting them into a quarantine tank .. but good lord ...


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wait so a 6 line cant be kept with shrimp? i had mine together and no problems. but then the 6 line died. i want another one pretty bad!
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Ive got a 6line with pepermint shrimp. They live so.....
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Originally posted by thebutler4 thebutler4 wrote:

ya know .. I really wish people would tell you they have/had issues with there crap before they sell it to you ... this really pisses me off!!! ... if I had known that there was a flat worm issue I could have done something about it before I put it in my tank ..
 


Dude you gotta QT everything, even your snails.

Not sure on the manderine flatworm issue, my eats them, but not all do. I'd wait a bit longer before getting a manderine. Even though you have alot of rock, and a refugium, best to give the colonies alot of time to establish themselves. Most manderins will only eat pods so the more the better.

I too have kept a 6 line with peppermints, and cleaner shrimp.
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Q,
How long should you wait to add a Manderin?
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A very, very long time.  Unfortunately most aquariums today are just not well suited for them.  Our live rock is a very pour quality and most people like to have clean rocks with lots of corals.  Just not ideal conditions for a mandarin.  It is like asking how long should you wait before adding seahorses, or before adding a tuna fish.  It isn't really a matter of time as we just don't have the right set up for them.
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Now Adam you gave me an Idea. We could be raising our own TUNA Fish.
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If you can convince your wife to let you get a tank big enough for tuna fish, then I'll buy you the tuna fish to go in it!
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I had a 6-line in my tank with both cleaner, pistol and peppermint shrimp and had no problems.  The 6-line did a good job on the flat worms that I had in the tank.  But that is no guarantee, not all 6-lines like flat worms.
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What about a 6 line with  clams? ...

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From my personal experiences any fish you buy probably wont erradicate them. I have tried a couple of fish (including a spotted manderin) and have not had much success. (The manderin is doing fine, but he also eats frozen food). The only consistant successful experiences I have heard of have all used flatworm exit using one method or another. I know Mark had a thread on here somewhere talking about only adding as much FWE as you need to kill them and by doing that you hopefully dont kill a ton of other things in your tank.

I am still a little bit afraid of the FWE so I haven't done it yet either.
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O com'on Adam, many of us are keeping maderis and seahorses long term, I even correspond with a guy who raises tuna. He uses net pens off the coast of Australia though.

The setup for Manderins is not complicated IMO. You need to have a well established refugium, a bunch of lr, and a big ol pod population. You can eve order pods online from several places.

I've kept my manderin for years, started in an 18g and has moved several times to be at home in the 65g I now have. The refugium ont hat system produces enough food to feed all of my fish except for the 6 ghosts I put in daily for the seahorse.
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Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

If you can convince your wife to let you get a tank big enough for tuna fish, then I'll buy you the tuna fish to go in it!
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If you know the mandarin will eat frozen food then that is a great deal but there is not guarantee.  I got lucky with mine and it eats several different frozen items plus the pods.  Everyones experience is different.  Now flatworms.  You can be upset all you want but stuff like that is bound to happen.  Bruce did not want nudibranchs, no one wanted red bugs etc.  You could have started with only one and that one could have came from a store purchased coral.  Those are the risks.  I have successfully used FW exit without any side effects "that I know of" fish, invertebrates and coral seem fine.   It does take  several treatments and some patience also.
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Well .. I have taken the advice NOT to buty the mandarin ... I did buy a 6 line .. and a watchman gobie .. :) ... I hope the 6 line will feed on them ... if not i will use FW Exit ...
 
 
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