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Topic: To Mandarin or not to Mandarin Posted: May 21 2006 at 8:06pm |
Well .. it seems that I have a small outbreak of red flat worms .. :( .. I was so carfull .. but I guess you cant see them all .... anyhow .. I have been wanting a Mandarin since I setup my tank .. but I wanted to make sure that I had a good pod population going .. but now with the outbreak of flat worms .. do you think he would be ok? .. the tank is 4 1/4 months old .. tuns of pos .. now flatworms ... I have a fuge that is pretty populated with pods as well ...
What do you guys think? .. will the Mandarin eat red flatworms? (research has told my they do but will fly right by a flatworm to grab a pod) ...
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Posted: May 21 2006 at 8:25pm |
Tough call on the mandarin consuming the flatworms. This seems to somewhat hit and miss. You will likely hear just as many negative results as positive in regards to that question.
However, the size of your tank suggests that a mandarin would be fine. I have had one in my 120 for years. He will occasionally take frozen mysis if it hits him in the snout.
I would likely go ahead and give it a try. If the mandarin won't hit on the flatworms, there will likely be plenty of other food for it.
Good luck.
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Posted: May 21 2006 at 9:26pm |
I agree with Shane about the mandarin... coris, 6 line, and 8 line wrasses would be my suggestion for flatworms, but could mean trouble for shrimp.
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Posted: May 21 2006 at 10:27pm |
Trust me your tank is not ready for a Mandarin. Not even close. I really would advise against it. I think you'd be sad and dissapointed with it.
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Posted: May 21 2006 at 11:17pm |
Well .. I do have shrimp .. so a wrasse is out of the question ... what else can I do to rid the flatworms? . I really dont want to buy a mandarin ... but I dont want a flat worm infestation ....
I guess I could try the chemical solution ... but I hate dumping anything into a tank ...
ya know .. I really wish people would tell you they have/had issues with there crap before they sell it to you ... this really pisses me off!!! ... if I had known that there was a flat worm issue I could have done something about it before I put it in my tank ..
I know this could be turned around by saying it was my falt for not putting them into a quarantine tank .. but good lord ...
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 1:33am |
wait so a 6 line cant be kept with shrimp? i had mine together and no problems. but then the 6 line died. i want another one pretty bad!
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 8:44am |
Ive got a 6line with pepermint shrimp. They live so.....
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 10:02am |
thebutler4 wrote:
ya know .. I really wish people would tell you
they have/had issues with there crap before they sell it to you ...
this really pisses me off!!! ... if I had known that there was a flat
worm issue I could have done something about it before I put it in my
tank ..
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Dude you gotta QT everything, even your snails.
Not sure on the manderine flatworm issue, my eats them, but not all do.
I'd wait a bit longer before getting a manderine. Even though you have
alot of rock, and a refugium, best to give the colonies alot of time to
establish themselves. Most manderins will only eat pods so the more the
better.
I too have kept a 6 line with peppermints, and cleaner shrimp.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 11:23am |
Q,
How long should you wait to add a Manderin?
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 11:30am |
A very, very long time. Unfortunately most aquariums today are just not well suited for them. Our live rock is a very pour quality and most people like to have clean rocks with lots of corals. Just not ideal conditions for a mandarin. It is like asking how long should you wait before adding seahorses, or before adding a tuna fish. It isn't really a matter of time as we just don't have the right set up for them.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 12:40pm |
Now Adam you gave me an Idea. We could be raising our own TUNA Fish.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 12:47pm |
If you can convince your wife to let you get a tank big enough for tuna fish, then I'll buy you the tuna fish to go in it!
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 12:48pm |
I had a 6-line in my tank with both cleaner, pistol and peppermint shrimp and had no problems. The 6-line did a good job on the flat worms that I had in the tank. But that is no guarantee, not all 6-lines like flat worms.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 12:57pm |
What about a 6 line with clams? ...
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 2:42pm |
From my personal experiences any fish you buy probably wont erradicate them. I have tried a couple of fish (including a spotted manderin) and have not had much success. (The manderin is doing fine, but he also eats frozen food). The only consistant successful experiences I have heard of have all used flatworm exit using one method or another. I know Mark had a thread on here somewhere talking about only adding as much FWE as you need to kill them and by doing that you hopefully dont kill a ton of other things in your tank.
I am still a little bit afraid of the FWE so I haven't done it yet either.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 3:55pm |
O com'on Adam, many of us are keeping maderis and seahorses long term,
I even correspond with a guy who raises tuna. He uses net pens off the
coast of Australia though.
The setup for Manderins is not complicated IMO. You need to have a well
established refugium, a bunch of lr, and a big ol pod population. You
can eve order pods online from several places.
I've kept my manderin for years, started in an 18g and has moved
several times to be at home in the 65g I now have. The refugium ont hat
system produces enough food to feed all of my fish except for the 6
ghosts I put in daily for the seahorse.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 4:10pm |
Adam Blundell wrote:
If you can convince your wife to let you get a tank big enough for tuna fish, then I'll buy you the tuna fish to go in it!
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I have an 8 oz can in my 120G and it does seem a little cramped.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 6:56pm |
If you know the mandarin will eat frozen food then that is a great deal but there is not guarantee. I got lucky with mine and it eats several different frozen items plus the pods. Everyones experience is different. Now flatworms. You can be upset all you want but stuff like that is bound to happen. Bruce did not want nudibranchs, no one wanted red bugs etc. You could have started with only one and that one could have came from a store purchased coral. Those are the risks. I have successfully used FW exit without any side effects "that I know of" fish, invertebrates and coral seem fine. It does take several treatments and some patience also.
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Posted: May 22 2006 at 8:33pm |
Well .. I have taken the advice NOT to buty the mandarin ... I did buy a 6 line .. and a watchman gobie .. :) ... I hope the 6 line will feed on them ... if not i will use FW Exit ...
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Posted: May 23 2006 at 7:29am |
Good choice!
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