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    Posted: April 07 2003 at 8:42pm
What is everyones opinion of what the best skimmer is for say less than $250?  I'm running a Berlin Turbo right now and from what I understand I could have done better!
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I've heard good things about AquaC EV Series skimmers, EuroReef, and Precision Marine Bullet models.  Most of these are about $50 - $100 more than you're wanting though (and that's not including a good pump needed by several of them).  I'm using a custom built skimmer similar to a Bullet and love it.  It replaced a Berlin skimmer that basically did nothing...  Here is a pic:

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Flaz - who did you have build your skimmer?  I have some size limitations on mine - unless I do one out of the sump. 
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It was built by George Weber (aka Geo) http://www.geosreef.com/home1.html

He built it and I had to supply the beckett pool airator and the gate valve (both from Home Depot).  It had a crack in one of the joints so he sold it to me for an awesome deal (about $60).  A retail skimmer of the same size would easily be about $350 I think.  The sad thing is I don't think he builds them anymore (only calcium reactors) but it wouldn't hurt to ask him.  He's a very nice person!

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I'll check it out - Thanks!
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May I offer a word of caution or maybe experience. When I turned off my simple air-driven reverse flow skimmer, my coral loved it. For instance a 2 inch mushroom grew to 6 inches in diameter and a lowly conylactis anemone grew to a foot in length from tip to tip. It was gorgeous. A tank can be skimmed too much to the point of starving the organisms.

Carbon was spoken of at the meeting the other night and it was mentioned (and nobody refuted it) that it should not be used 24/7. The same goes for skimming. I have heard lots of experts advise that it is best to skim part time. Run it for a week and then off for a week or somehow find what your tank responds best to. When you are skimming you are removing coral and invert food.

One of the purposes of the WMAS is to help people see that they don't need to give an arm and a leg to have a nice healthy tank. Was it Jakes presentation on filtration that makes you want to go out and get a "better" skimmer?

Didn't I hear him say to think about things and not to run out and change something because of what we heard from him. He told us that if it's not broken, don't try to fix it.

In your tank, if there is something going on that you can't figure out, this is the time and place to discuss it rather than needlessly spending money.

There a lot of us in the club that have been around the block on these things. Adam, Jake, Shane, Joe and Cindy, Jeff, Kirk, just to name a few. Please let us help.

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Mark - That's why I"m asking!
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rfoote, I am currious because I am setting up a larger tank. what kind of problems are you having with your tank? I am going to invest in a skimmer and if the one you have isnt doing the job I would like to know. Are you having high levels of amoina and such? Please let me know thanks.

 

 

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Ryan,

What you are asking is for the price of a good skimmer.

It looks to me like you missed the whole point of my post.

I asked you if you are sure it is a new skimmer that you need. I asked what is going wrong with your tank. I also suggested that you may be jumping up to go spend some money when that may not be the answer. Pistonfister asked similar questions. If you are going to insist that you know for sure that there are problems and that a new skimmer is the definite and only answer, then I had better just shut up.

Does anyone else see the misdirection here or am I just an old fart that should give up on trying to help people see the light?

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I am sorry, but you are not asking the questions nor giving the answers that will allow us to help you avoid unecessary and costly mistakes. You seem to have already decided that a new skimmer will fill your need, without allowing us to hear the problem. I am betting that you don't need to spend $250 or even $25 to have your tank do well. Give it a chance.
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Boy do I have egg on my face! I thought I lost the first post so I repeated myself unknowingly in a duplicate message. I get pretty excited about this stuff. I've been at it for 10 years and have seen hundreds of tanks as an active member of the club presidency for almost 10 years. I hate seeing the same mistakes being made over and over that I have spoken out about so many times. I don't have all the answers and my way is not the only way, but I've seen too many people throw away their money at the misdiagnosis of a problem.

BTW - I misspelled "condylactis" anemone

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Hi,Guys! Our tank did great for years w/o a skimmer. Stuff grows like crazy ! I also hate the thought of spending so much money on velvet green , phytoplex, DT's,coral accell,ect,ect,ect and then just skimming it out! But ,we got this cyano outbreak and it's still hanging out! I got a $60 skimmer that works great,some phosphate remover and I might just break down and do an actual water change! The pretty maroon carpet is fading away,though.When it's gone, I might just "forget " to turn the skimmer back on after a dose of phyto.BTW, how long do you leave your skimmers off after feeding? And Steve, are you still running completely skimmerless? Suzy
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Mark I guess I assumed incorrectly that when I posted that question that people would also offer up good information in regards to what I presently have.  As well as what I asked - What do you feel the best skimmer for around $250 would be?  I never said I was going to do it or that I have a problem or that it was for me. I Just simply asked what people think the best skimmer is for around $250 and stated what I have.  Obviously I need to be a little more clear when I ask a question in the future.  Sorry for the confusion and getting you unecessarily excited!  Just trying to find out info. and what peoples opinions are.  I will post here in a few why I am looking at it.

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Ryan,

         When I researched skimmers a year ago I was most impressed with ae Tech's ETSS.  It can suck like a mother when needed and be toned down when not needed.  I ended up getting one from Randy up in Centerville. I only run it one or two days a week. I found if I left it on all the time I started sucking out everything including the aquarium sink. It fits just under the budget you mentioned. I bought big thinking I would be able to also use it when I'm able to go to a larger tank (150gl).   

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Here is why I am looking at it.  Sorry Mark I should have put this info. in the first posting.  I've had my tank up now for about 18 months and have so far had pretty good success.  For some reason(yet to be determined), over the past two months I've started to have my first bout with Hair Algae.  Here are my water paramaters.  Ph 8.4, Alk. can't remember but normal, Phosphate 0, Nitrate 5-10, Calcium 440, Salinity 1.024 to 1.024, temp. 78 to 80.  From what I understand my paramaters are ok - I've never been able to get my Nitrates below 5.  I guess I am trying to determine where my excess nutrients are coming from to be feeding this hair algae.  I feed lightly to about 8 fish.  I also feed live phytoplankton about every two to three days.  From what I understand this should actually compete with the Hair Algae?  I have a 150 gal. tank, 3 to 4 inch Crushed Coral Substrate, and 150 lbs. of live rock.  This is what I am doing about it right now and thinking.  Please let me know what you think. 

Presently I have just a RO system - I am changing out the filters this week(they are 16 months old).  I am considering adding a DI system to this.  I have removed my mat from wet/dry(I wasn't diligent enough to replace it before it build up crap!)  I am daily pulling off what hair algae I can and getting it out of the tank.  I have reduced my photoperiod, I have also replaced all bulbs.  I have bought 40 new snails and two sally light foot crabs to combat it.  My cleanup crew now consists of probably 120 snails, 100 hermits, 2 emeralds, and now the two SLF crabs.  Wondering if a good virgatus tang, foxface, or rabbitfish would help?

I am also wondering if my crushed coral substrate is causing an increase in silicates that could be feeding the hair algae?

The reason I asked about the skimmer is;  I have limited space under my tank where my sump is and I had to make some major modifications to my Berlin Turbo Skimmer to get it to fit.  I collect 1/2 cup of junk in it probably every week.  I do have a second outlet from my sump that I could hook a pump up to and do a external skimmer if needed. 

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rfoote-I'm not sure what the best skimmer for under $250.00 is.  However my Sea Clone that I ran for a couple years or so, seemed to do the trick in my 72 gal.

Suzy- Yes, I'm still running completely skimmerless.

IMO the amount and types of equipment we use may be derived by following the following simple formula:  what goes in = what comes out

How we achieve this can be done in a multitude of ways.  Including skimmers or other equipment or the bare basics that may not include skimmers or whatever but could include animals, scavengers and live sponges and the likes. 

Some methods may be more cost effective and simple while others are more elaborate and cost more for equipment.

Some people run certain set ups and equipment for the purpose of enjoyment.  For them that's what it is that makes them happy and they may not enjoy the hobby another way. 

Either way it's nice to know there are options and the way the WMAS members are there for each other is nothing less than impressive.   

       

Keep your hands and arms inside the tank and enjoy the ride!

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rfoote- we must have been typing on this forum at the same time.  I didn't know the size of your tank which you had just mentioned in your last post.  Or I wouldn't have mentioned the Sea Clone skimmer in my previous post.
Keep your hands and arms inside the tank and enjoy the ride!

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Steve - No problem!  I am interested in how you are running skimmerless.  What do you use as your major transport of excess nutrients?  Also, I am considering adding a refugium.  Does anyone think this would be worthwhile looking into?
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I  think by having enough coral that uptake nutrients, plenty of pourous live rock and lots of surface exposed live sand it enables me to run skimmerless.  When I say surface exposed live sand what I mean is it's not being choked off by the placement of live rock that makes contact with the live sand.  I use a shelf that I constructed out of pvc that enables me to keep roughly 85 to 90 pounds of live rock in my 72 gal. and still keep plenty of exposed live sand bed. 

Also this allows excellent water circulation in the tank since the manner in which the rock is placed doesn't block the power heads.

I'm sure there is more to it but I don't want to try and act like I know more than what I do.  So I won't go on.  I just know that what's going on in my tank is working.    

  

Keep your hands and arms inside the tank and enjoy the ride!

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I would also like to add that I have always considered myself an under feeder.  When the day comes that I feed the amount I should feed mabe things will change. 

Also if anyone who is running a skimmer is considering going skimmerless I recommend skimming less and less first.  Don't just quit cold turkey.     

Keep your hands and arms inside the tank and enjoy the ride!

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