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I had the same problem. with my tank. This is what I did. I started to only feed every other day or every two days, I got a sixline wrasse.... then I was in there one day and found this worm, I pulled him out. Ever since the less feeding and the wrasse i have never had a problem!  He ended up being about 14 inches long and about 1 inch fat... im not kidding either! (ps if you do pull them out use twizzers) . Oh it was in a 24 gallon tank to so you can imagine how big it looked in there! 
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Ah the topic of feeding frequency. I feed a tiny bit of pellet food via my auto feeder twice a day. We are talking maybe a enough to cover the head of a nickel. Then, probably every other day (sometimes I skip two days, sometimes I hit two days in a row) I feed about one to two teaspoons worth of protein foods like mysis, brine, etc. I also feed two 2"x4" sheets of nori on these days as well for the tangs. 

I am no ethicist, but I can see your concern for the fish. The fact that they seem to swim around happily makes us think that twice a week feeding is doing just fine, but what if they are in a constant state of hunger. My fish are nearly rabid everytime my hand approaches the top of the tank...makes one think...I mean, humans could live eating just twice a week and I bet one wouldn't have to clean their toilet as often either...and I bet we could scrape stuff off of the floor, eat insects, whatever in between feedings...hmm, i wonder why no human only eats twice a week since it would make so many things much easier...hmm...maybe because we're HUNGRY...and, we can FEED OURSELVES

Oh, and what about your Dog, he would probably do just fine eating only three times a week...less poop too...especially if you used a highly enriched food and he could find other sources in the yard to eat...but would you do it?

I personally don't care one way or another, but it is an interesting line of thought. 
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I would like to see pics of this tank and the fish close up.  You need to evaluate the quality of the food when they do feed. A high quality food will last the fish longer than a low quality food given everyday. The tank also provides food you do not see such as pods and worms some, if not all fish feed on. If it looks healthy and happy, it most likely is. Fish do not eat everyday in the ocean. Its a hit and miss, luck off the unlucky ones who were lunch for another fish.....
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Connie- you and I..... on the same page today.
 
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I agree with you on that, I have worked pet retail for 13 years and have serviced home tanks as well, I think its is downright cruel to have the fish eat only twice a week just to save on cleaning filters, yeah of course it looks great, no food, no waste!  you are right for being concerned.
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Everytime I have gone snorkeling, all I see the fish doing is eating. In my tank, however, they are mostly swimming. My sailfin tang is constantly trying to find a new piece of algae he actually wants to eat. I am pretty impartial on judging whether or not its cruel, but my 90 gallon display tank and ecosystem is far from the proportions my fish would have in the ocean and the associated food sources. I have never once seen my blue tang eat anything but what I give him. Same is true for my clown fish. I am sure that more nutritionally supplented foods will be better for infrequent feedings, but one could do the same thing with humans, dogs, or other animals. Would they survive, sure, would they be 100% happy with their near constant state of hunger...hmmm...

Again, how would we know...and if it were studied and found to be true, would most people care...happy fish vs. a more "pretty" and easy to care for reef tank...ethics and pets can be a slippery slope...
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Thank you all so much for your imput and such a quick and HUGE response!!! My e-mail is so full! You are all so kind to give me your opinions and thoughts. I am really greatful! Thanks again!
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I tend to lead to feed more then I used to, but feeding twice a week is fine IMHO.  I don't think they fish are suffering because of this.  Especially in a reef tank.
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I think there is saying that goes "a hungry fish is a happy fish".  I don't know who came up with that saying, but they must be pretty smart.
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I do know who came up with that saying.  Smart..... yeah I'll agree and say smart. 

Full of crazy talk.... but still smart.
 
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I feed my frog fish very infrequently and irregularly.  Sometimes every three days, sometimes weekly, sometimes two days in a row.  But again, this is how they eat in the wild.

 
Tangs and other fish are constant grazers and may need to be fed more often.  I tend to lean towards feeding less, more times.  That is to say, feed maybe two times daily, but very small amounts.
 
If we are going to start talking about fish feelings - then I think we're all monsters for stealing them out of their ocean homes and sticking them in a small, glass box for our own amusement.  So, lets not talk about fish feelings ... 
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Shane, that was exactly the point I was making when it comes to many pets...trying to get high and mighty is a slippery slope. One persons amusement can be anothers cruelty, one persons earring can be another persons body mutilation.

That said, starving fish for the sake of convenience is probably not cool. So, how does one know if a fish is hungry? Seems to reason that a fish like a tang in an aquarium will most always act "hungry" if it is a grazer...should we then always have something for them to graze upon as Crystal does? 

I love these kind of thought provoking discussions.
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Originally posted by thefu thefu wrote:

Shane, that was exactly the point I was making when it comes to many pets...trying to get high and mighty is a slippery slope. One persons amusement can be anothers cruelty, one persons earring can be another persons body mutilation.

That said, starving fish for the sake of convenience is probably not cool. So, how does one know if a fish is hungry? Seems to reason that a fish like a tang in an aquarium will most always act "hungry" if it is a grazer...should we then always have something for them to graze upon as Crystal does? 

I love these kind of thought provoking discussions.
 
With nori being available daily i'll notice my fish will swim a bit in the tank.. and take a couple bites.. swim some more.. come over and take a few bites. They are only ravenous for it first thing in the am when it is put in... I've always felt tangs naturally are picking all day in the wild they should be able to do that in our tanks too
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I'd take a look at the fish... particularly the tangs, are their stomachs sunken in?  If so feed more, if not then they're good to go.  
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Do you think anyone would object if I used the same standard to feed my dog?

Again, this is the interesting part of this discussion. Not whether or not they will survive equally well with less feedings, but rather is it somehow cruel or inhumane because during that in between time from full to sunken, are they miserable or living a quality of life that is below standard simply because we want less poop.
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We had a very intelligent discussion on reefcentral about quality of life for tangs in smaller tanks when given proper water quality and food....What they are finding out is that the suggested tank size is basically for dummies on most tangs. They are taking into consideration health of the fish (hlle, stressed behavior etc) length of time living in that size of tank and size...
 
I have a 7 inch orange shoulder who has never lived in anything larger than a 4 ft tank. I got him as a 2 inch juvi. In a matter of six months with proper food and water quality etc... had was 6 inches. Over the past year he seems to still be growing but at a slower rate. He currently lives in my 4ft frag tank until our big tank is done... probably in 1-2 years. He has not yet exibited any signs of stress (paceful type swimming, HLLE, torn fins, etc.) I frequently get compliments on how beautiful he is... (size, coloration, etc) This is some thing I've noticed with all the tangs we've owned. We had quite a few large tangs living in a 120 as a temp home until our tank is finished. Unfortunetly we lost them in the breaker incident. They have similar success as the orange shoulder. They came with the tank and were all well over 6 inches when I got them. We added a bunch of flow. Larger more frequent water changes to keep water optimal and added a larger skimmer and fuge. They were fed simliarly. The only fish I had to remove was a 5 inch sohal. He started exhibiting stress with paceful swimming up and down the sides of the tank and agression. He now lives in a 1000 gallon tank and no longer has these behavior problems.
 
I have a 6 inch achilles in my 220 cube. However the tank is setup so the fish can swim the perimiter of the tank and up the middle without turning around. This type of rock setup really seems to make the fish much happier rather than a wall on the back.
 
Feeding has always been a hot topic right next to tank size. I think that if you can provide quality nutrition and pristine water quality that you should be able to keep many "hard to keep" fish. The reason a lot of these fish die are IMO because they are not fed correctly and given what they need:
-Nutrition
-Water Quality
-Water flow (huge one)
 
When I get anthias I start them out by feeding (no joke) 20 + times a day of small meals. If you dont get them eating in the beginning and used to prepared foods.. they will perish. The same goes for moorish idols, achilles tangs, powder blue tangs.. etc.
 
I disagree with the people who feel fish eat few and far between in the wild. Thats not true unless you are housing predators... Tangs graze all day long. anthias are constantly eating small meals that are floating through the water column. I dont think that sporadic feeding is healthy, but for some of us that don't have adequate tank maintenance schedules or equiptment this is what we must saccrifice to provide the water quality.
 
In closing...
 
Get a bigger skimmer. Feed your fish daily
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I agree with tangs needing to graze. I purposefully let the sun hit the back corner of the tank and encourage the green algae to grow along the back wall in there. The tang and coral beauty munch on it all day long. I supplement with nori and frozen food for the meat-a-vores. Question though, is the seaweed in sushi the same thing as the nori sheets? I am thinking no.
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Wendy its the same stuff. the only difference is they might add vitamins and minerals to the fish version. We feed sushi nori and I soak a sheet in selcon weekly for them. I've noticed no ill effects. I would never be able to afford to feed them if i just bought the aquarium stuff
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I feed at least once a day - sometimes twice with dry in the am and frozen in the pm.
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I am gonna try that Crystal :)  Ty.
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