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    Posted: May 10 2011 at 10:28pm
Does anyone know if a small pair of cortez rays and a small snowflake eel will be compatible in a 150 gal non-reef tank?
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I was gonna get a ray for my 225g but decided not to they need alot of sand room. From what I was told you pretty much need a suspended reef for them or a very big tank
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Originally posted by BnK BnK wrote:

I was gonna get a ray for my 225g but decided not to they need alot of sand room. From what I was told you pretty much need a suspended reef for them or a very big tank

You said it BnK. Rays are also pretty hard to keep, they are very sensitive to nitrates, or rapid changes in water chemistry. They do need a very large amount of open sand to swim on. Unless you can suspend your rockwork or have a very large tank square footage wise rays aren't a good choice for a normal tank.
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i am not asking about a tank here, i was asking if they will get along, i am having a 4foot long 3 foot wide 9 inch tall tank made for them!!
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Originally posted by bik3rinblack bik3rinblack wrote:

i am not asking about a tank here, i was asking if they will get along, i am having a 4foot long 3 foot wide 9 inch tall tank made for them!!
I think you should go bigger. 2c
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Typically rays want lots of open sand...Eels want lots of rock to hid in. So, it can be kinda hard to get an environment that both will be happy in. However, I have kept a ray and eels together with no problem.
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thankyou sean, that is what i wanted to know! they have plenty of room now and will have alot of room in a few weeks!
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well sorry for tryin to help
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Your welcome... lol I was wanting to know if I could put both together for a few weeks but that is my fault because I did not specify, but thankyou for your input
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Originally posted by MadReefer MadReefer wrote:

Originally posted by bik3rinblack bik3rinblack wrote:

i am not asking about a tank here, i was asking if they will get along, i am having a 4foot long 3 foot wide 9 inch tall tank made for them!!


I think you should go bigger. 2c



how much bigger you want me to go, mind you this will be in my house not a petting zoo i dont have alot of room i am goin to have these guys setup in my office becuase that is the only place i have left!

but i dont want to go bigger i think bigger would just be a waist, 4 foot is big, by 3 foot and then 9 inch tall, if i am doing my math right that will be about 12 sq tanks on the bottome, and there will be nothing else in there , jut them but, i think that would be good, unless you have a better idea!
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Common Name: Cortez Stingray

Scientific Name: Urobatis maculatus

Alias: Cortez Ray, Spotted Round Stingray or Chocolate Chip Ray.

Maximum Adult Size: Maximum total length is about 16.5 inches (42 cm), and a maximum disc width of 9.5 inches (about 24 cm).

Average Adult Size: about 13.8 inches (35 cm) TL, or about 8.0 inches (20 cm)

Maximum Adult Weight: about 1.75 lbs (about 800 grams)

Size at Birth: about 4.7” (12 cm) total length.

Size at Sexual Maturity: about 10" (25cm) total length, about 5.9” (15 cm) disc width.

Age at Sexual Maturity: roughly 2 to 3 years

Growth Rate: averages about 1.1” (2.8 cm) in disk width, & about 1.9” (4.8 cm) in total length per year.

Longevity of species: approx. 8 years.

Geographical Distribution: found in warm-temperate to sub- tropical ocean around Baja California, Sea of Cortez (Gulf of California), and the Mexican Pacific coast.

Habitat: A very abundant small sized warm-temperate to sub- tropical stingray - found to a depth of about 20 meters (65 ft). Prefers sandy shallow bays, rocky reefs, and grassy seabeds.

Diet: mostly bottom dwelling inverts, like shrimp, small crabs, & worms. Also known to feed on small fishes.

Activity level: a fairly active species of stingray. They are active daytime feeders. Basically a fairly harmless species, but like all species of stingrays, it does have a poisonous stinger.

Preferred Water Temperature & Conditions: They seem to prefer a water temperature range of 72-82 F (23-28 C). And Salinity range of 27-33 ppt or 1.020-1.024.

Minimum recommend pond/tank size for a Cortez Stingray: about 180 gallons or 6' long x 2' wide x 2' deep for a single Cortez ray. For a small breeding group of 2-3 adults at least 360 gallons or 8’ long x 3’ wide x 2’ deep.

The Cortez Stingrays in captivity: This species does very well in captivity, and is often found in Home Aquariums and in some Public Aquariums. This species is generally very hardy, and usually acclimates quite well to captive life, provided that it has a good deal of swimming room. This species has also been known to breeding in captivity.
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Originally posted by bik3rinblack bik3rinblack wrote:

Originally posted by MadReefer MadReefer wrote:

Originally posted by bik3rinblack bik3rinblack wrote:

i am not asking about a tank here, i was asking if they will get along, i am having a 4foot long 3 foot wide 9 inch tall tank made for them!!


I think you should go bigger. 2c



how much bigger you want me to go, mind you this will be in my house not a petting zoo i dont have alot of room i am goin to have these guys setup in my office becuase that is the only place i have left!

but i dont want to go bigger i think bigger would just be a waist, 4 foot is big, by 3 foot and then 9 inch tall, if i am doing my math right that will be about 12 sq tanks on the bottome, and there will be nothing else in there , jut them but, i think that would be good, unless you have a better idea!

Now again, this is just me trying to help you out. Stingrays require a TON of room once they get big. The ideal ray tank is large and shallow, like 72x48x18 or even more. The tank you have may work for a while but you'll end up having to find a new home for them down the road. Again I'm not trying to say you can't keep them or anything like that, just trying to help out. 
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ideas??





Edited by bik3rinblack - May 12 2011 at 1:29am
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Originally posted by CapnMorgan CapnMorgan wrote:

  The ideal ray tank is large and shallow, like 72x48x18 or even more.  
That is what I was thinking.
Personally, I would not try rays unless I had a whole room or a big space to put them in. Maybe someday I will be able to do this because I've wanted some since I was 8 years old.
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As one who has successfully kept a Blue Spotted Ribbontail Ray I would go at least 18" tall and at least triple the size of the sump.

And I wouldn't get caught up in the non-reef / FOWLR (fish only with live rock) garbage. Invertebrates, including coral, are a necessity for filtering water of parasites and are "fish safe". The "reef safe" term you may have heard of, is often misunderstood in the hobby. Many larger so called predatory fish like the rays and sharks will eat shrimp, but not coral. This means they are "coral safe". Smile
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All very good points being made. I don't have much to add, but do like Mark's point on being semi-reef safe or at least coral safe.

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i guess now i would ask were i can get the acrylic to do this project of mine, i would pay tcfab, but i just dont have the money!
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