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Posted: November 04 2003 at 10:36am |
I am looking to purchase a couple of black a.percula clowns in the next six months or so. I would also like to have them host an anemone. I am looking for suggestions/experiences/stories/resources on which anemone would be good to have for them. I am planning on purchasing the anemone before I get the fish, and also before I get any more corals so that I can settle it in with the least amount of worry. I've already been looking stuff up but want more input. Thanks in advance
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Posted: November 04 2003 at 1:08pm |
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From the Sea has the clowns.
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Posted: November 04 2003 at 2:14pm |
Hope this helps.
Clownfish_and_Their_Host_Anemones_version_1.pdf
Also, keep in mind that many of the "black percula clowns" sold are actually captive raised ocellaris clowns.
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Posted: November 04 2003 at 7:05pm |
If many times black a. ocellaris are sold as black a. percula, then how do I tell the difference since the normal 'black border' is no longer a viable option? Or should I simply not worry about it and figure it out after I get the fish, and then get an anemone?
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Posted: November 04 2003 at 8:46pm |
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I think its best to get the amemone first. That way it can get comfortable before the clown starts hosting in it. Anemones can be quite sensitive.
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Posted: November 04 2003 at 9:18pm |
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I've read that the only way to tell the Percula from the Ocellaris is by counting the doral spines. I'm not sure of the correct number of spines that each have, but one species has one more spine than the other.
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Posted: November 05 2003 at 9:53am |
It is possible to tell the difference between some perculas and ocellaris by counting the dorsal spines. Although this is not always possible expecially on a live fish.
percula dorsal spines 9-10
ocellaris dorsal spines 10-11
for more information visit.
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=6509&a mp;genusname=Amphiprion&speciesname=ocellaris
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http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=9209&a mp;genusname=Amphiprion&speciesname=percula
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Posted: November 09 2003 at 10:14pm |
hi..just browsing the forum...came across this one and took great interest in it.....I have a pair of ocellaris, and they took home to my purple tip anem, and ever since.....my anem has increased its size and doesn't move around anymore...they definantely stay away from my green carpet, which like to sufficate its self in the dark areas sometimes/:)( but I have heard that this type anem doen't naturally host to anem fish) I am still pretty new at the hobby, but opinions are what make this hobby so great
on another note.....I can't catch the first fish I put in the tank almost two years ago....any suggestions.....(this sucker is smarter than me and I don't want to move 50-60lbs of LR and LPS to get him) he has become a bully and is attacking all the other occupants and eating my corals, specificly my frogspawn (blue Streak Damsel)
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Posted: November 09 2003 at 11:08pm |
dont know if this is what your looking for, but ... i got a Black & White Percula Clownfish - Tank Raised from LiveAquaria.com - really cool little fish. i only had to wait about two weeks before they had it in stock. here is a link:
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=2 1&pCatId=1114
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 7:16am |
Bubble,
There is a WMAS trap floating around somewhere. You may want to touch base with Mark P in this regard. He would be the all knowing in it's location.
As an alternate, have you tried putting a large net in the tank for the fish to get used to it, say an hour or so, then feed them. As the little guy is distracted by the food, scoop him up. It has worked for me in the past.
Is he eating your corals or picking at them? Good luck.
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 7:22am |
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I have the WMAS trap if you would like it. I haven't had much luck getting the damsel I want out yet, but your welcome to it.
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 9:24am |
I'm not sure I can answer Nate's questions or not. This link from coreyk is a little confusing to me. I'm not sure if he has a percula or an ocellaris. That link on liveaquaria says they naturally live with S. mertensii and perculas don't. But it also says the fish lives in the coral sea, and ocellaris don't. So I'm not sure all their information is correct. I want to bet that they are selling black ocellaris as is everyone else, as Jake already mentioned.
I tend to think that all black percs are black ocellaris. Post a pic and I may be able to tell you.
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 11:32am |
 Adam Blundell wrote:
I'm not sure I can answer Nate's questions or not. That link on liveaquaria says they naturally live with S. mertensii and perculas don't. But it also says the fish lives in the coral sea, and ocellaris don't. So I'm not sure all their information is correct. I want to bet that they are selling black ocellaris as is everyone else, as Jake already mentioned. I tend to think that all black percs are black ocellaris.
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This is the reason I am trying to find out what I am going to be purchasing. I still want to get an anemone and put it in first, and then get the fish, but want to purchase an anemone that has the greatest chance of being a host for the fish. I asked at from the sea the other day, and he said he "was getting perculas, but then no one is really sure they are perculas and not ocellaris..." So I'm still in a bit of a quandry since I can't find the info anywhere... I might just have to get an anemone that is good for both, or purchase one that does well with ocellaris and hope that it works.
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 11:36am |
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You may want to ask the guys at The Aquarium. When I asked about them when they first got them in they said they were getting them from a guy in California who was breeding them, so they should know for sure what they are.
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 12:18pm |
When I asked one of the workers at The Aquarium if the clown in the tank was a Percula or Ocellaris, I was told that they were the exact same species... there is no difference between the two  !
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 12:34pm |
From a quick call to LiveAquaria, they state that their black clown fish are the true percula, A. percula, fish. Now I didn't spend tons of time quizing the guy, but supposedly they are true perculas. I will double check before I buy anything. Now, anyone know where I can find a purple Sebae anenome?
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 12:54pm |
Adam Blundell wrote:
This link from coreyk is a little confusing to me.
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ya... i wasnt sure if this is what he was looking for either, but i thought it might help the thread along a little. 
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Post a pic and I may be able to tell you.
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i can post a pic of the little guy i got from them ( if i can get him to hold still )  or if Nathan or anyone else wants to swing by and check him out ( i dont have the best digital camera in the world ) ...
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 1:12pm |
jfinch wrote:
When I asked one of the workers at The Aquarium if the clown in the tank was a Percula or Ocellaris, I was told that they were the exact same species... there is no difference between the two ! |
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 2:41pm |
Crazy Tarzan wrote:
This is the reason I am trying to find out what I am going to be purchasing. I still want to get an anemone and put it in first, and then get the fish, but want to purchase an anemone that has the greatest chance of being a host for the fish. ... I might just have to get an anemone that is good for both, or purchase one that does well with ocellaris and hope that it works.
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There are two anemones that I know of that naturally serve as hosts to both A. ocellaris and A. percula. They are Heteractis magnifica and Stichodactyla gigantea. However, in the aquarium setting, they will accept almost anything as a host. There is a large group of people out there trying to talk people into using xenia as a host on not anemones. Something to consider.
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Posted: November 10 2003 at 2:46pm |
There is a large group of people out there trying to talk people into using xenia as a host on not anemones. Something to consider.
Funny you should say that. My Ocellaris spends the day around my frogspawn, but very seldom swims into it. He spends the night hours sleeping within the xenia. I wonder why he doesn't host in the xenia during the day?
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