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I have also a TERRIBLE Cyano Problem.
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I used vodka to get rid of my cyano in my nano you have to be very careful using it I ended up using 3 ml for 28 gallons everyday after 4-5 days of being consistent it was completely gone and hasnt come back if you want to try this I sugguest starting with .5 ml for every 10 gallons a day and every 3-5 days adding .5ml more till you see it starting to thin out when it is gone cut back to half dosage imediatly and stay there for a few days but use extreme cation and do some homework on vodka dosing it can crash a tank fast before you do it read up there are some good threads on reefcentral
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forgot to mention I used 80 proof any brand will work 
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I have wondered what people were doing using vodika to dose there tanks with.  Very interesting.  I might have to do this.  After a bunch of research of course.
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I had a Cyano problem, and used a few chemicals, tried a bunch of stuff, and nothing worked.

I ended up directing my flow right at the cyano,  went to feeding once a week for a few weeks, put phosgard in my filter, and it was gone in less than a week.

If none of this works use red slime remover from your LFS. I used Chimiclean and didnt like the results.

My cyano has been gone for two months and I am back to feeding  a few times a week.

Also, on a side note. I started getting my heavy Cyano after I began dosing Iodide, coral vite, and trace elements. I have not been dosing those as often (before it was obly once every couple weeks) now it is more like once a month. So it could be made worse by excess elements in the tank that the corals arent using. Just a thought.


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Yep, that link I had in the "Secrets" thread is no longer good. I don't know what happened. Here is another one that can help with figuring out Cyano:
http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27443

Several interesting points have been brought up that I'd like to comment on.

1. The reason N compounds test at next to zero is that the Cyano is helping eat them up. It's normal for a tank with good algae growth to have zero Nitrogen.Smile

2. Rinsing frozen food removes small bites of the food that can be eaten by coral and small inverts, including sponge and tunicates. These are some of the best organisms to have growing in our tanks. They create the marvelous stability seen in older tanks. I've never bothered with rinsing food, but neither do I feed dry prepared pellets or flake. I have seen how they are made...gross.Ouch They can contribute to cyano.

3.  A TDS of 6 ppm of the purified water is good and reducing TDS to zero will probably make no difference in Cyano growth. To check the DI resin, simply check the water going into the DI chamber, the RO water. If the RO water has a significantly higher TDS than the water leaving the DI, then the resin is working and does not need to be replaced.Big smile

4. Cyano needs both N and PO4 to grow. It is one of the oldest organisms on the earth. It can survive in all kinds of conditions. It was always in the tank. Once it gets a good start in a tank, it may always show up in one spot or another, so I don't worry about small patches.

5. Water changes, even with really pure water can often contribute to Cyano growth. As was mentioned it is because of the addition of the typical trace elements. In a reef aquarium with good biological filtration, water changes are mostly for replacing trace elements that have been used by the tank inhabitants. If a reef tank consistently has greater than 25 ppm of Nitrates, something is not tuned right with regard to the biological filtration. A hobbyist should look at increasing the biological filtration rather than doing frequent or large water changes to reduce N compounds.

6. Some pollutants/toxins do not break down fast enough. For that we need AC (Activated Carbon). AC should be used at least one week per month but does not need to be used continuously. It removes the toxins produced by coral and algae which if allowed to build up can seriously degrade tank health. The use of a skimmer or Macroalgae harvesting to remove organic waste is good but cannot remove some toxins. We rely on AC for that but the use of AC typically does nothing to slow the growth of Cyano.

7. The dosing of sugar/alcohol feeds the bacteria population. This artificially enables the aquarium to handle a larger load of pollutants. Reducing the sugar dosing causes those bacteria to seek other food, stealing it away from the Cyano. It is a risky practice if not monitored closely.

There are more natural and no risk ways to ensure sufficient biological filtration. The use of good skimming, the regular harvesting of macroalgae from the display or Refugium, 24/7 lighting of the Refugium or the display(temporarily), changing the lighting intensity or duration up or down, and the use of good LS. A hobbyist must search for a way to steal the nutrients from the Cyano.

A little Oolitic sand can work a miracle in eliminating Cyanobacteria. Dig three deep depressions, down to the glass, in the existing substrate. In each depression pour a quart of clean Oolitic sand. Cover the new sand by spreading the old sand over the top. Many times I have seen this procedure eliminate the Cyano within a week and it never came back.Big smile

Hope this helps.Smile


Edited by Mark Peterson - February 27 2009 at 10:50am
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Mark awsome info and thank you so much for spending so much time writing the info above.  I do have some sand that can put into the tank.  Ill take it where the cyano on the sand bed is setting in.  I also got my rodi unit back to 0 by simply replacing the resin.  So I guess that isnt going to hurt anything anyways. 
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Does anyone else have any suggestins one Vodka?
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Originally posted by Cameron Cameron wrote:

Does anyone else have any suggestins one Vodka?
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