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Adam Blundell 
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 Posted: November 29 2003 at 2:53pm |
Jon- you got it. Anemonefish does not include Dascyllus. And you are correct again, only A. percula should be called a clownfish. Otherwise it would be like us calling all tangs "yellow tangs".... "wow look a regal yellow tang, and look there a powder blue yellow tang. And what's that, oh my goodness a maroon anemonefish clownfish" that's just silly 
Crazy- you got it as well. I'm not sure who wrote that article but it follows the terminology of Fautin and Allen. I just referenced that site since it is short, easy to read, and seems to make sense. Fautin and Allen are the world's two leading authors on anemonefishes. They are fantastic. Possible guest speaker for us next year.
In the wild they require anemones, obviously in captivity they don't. This has caused a group of hobbiests who are trying to stop people from buying anemones, because once removed the fish will die. http://www.garf.org/39/fish/pict.html and also http://www.garf.org/trever/anem/anenome.html The difference is lack of predators in our reef tanks.
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 3:56pm |
Adam, healthiness of the fish is not the concern. Its the fact that the anemonefishes cannot defend themselves without an anemone.
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Adam Blundell
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 4:00pm |
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Posted: November 29 2003 at 4:02pm |
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Adam, sorry, I should have put a question mark after my last sentence. But it seems you answered it. Thanks!!
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Posted: November 30 2003 at 10:47pm |
Let’s not let Adam confuse everybody with his scientific “mumbo jumbo”. If you agree with me go and sign my petition at www.StopAdam.com
(Just kidding Adam)
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Adam Blundell
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 7:32am |
 Jake Pehrson wrote:
Let’s not let Adam confuse everybody with his scientific “mumbo jumbo”. If you agree with me go and sign my petition at www.StopAdam.com
(Just kidding Adam)
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Your entire post is great. I like the mumbo jumbo and I even clicked on the link.... knowing you I thought it would be an active page. Sad to see it isn't 
Jake, you are great!
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 8:31am |
IMO, scientific reasoning (oxymoron)  aside, ocellaris and perculas are better off generalized as clownfish rather than Nemos. If we follow certain "rules" the term anemonefish would not apply to anything that we keep in captivity since the predatory factor is reduced or eliminated. Additionally, I have come to believe that those like Fautin and Allen, albeit far more knowledgeable on the subject than I, are not the only people with opinions on the matter. The label of clownish, IMO, is more of a term of endearment anyways. It is being used quite widely even among LFS and other suppliers. Besides, there are published books referencing the same. Take a look at
http://www.animal-world.com/encyclo/marine/clowns/clowns.htm or http://www.outdoorshub.com/Clownfishes_1890087041.html or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-491 2215-7022525
There are alot of "Dr.'s" of this and that who authored these works. Are their opinions or observations or findings not valid Adam? Huh? Tuff guy?
Do I still rock? I think that I am rather rockish at this point. Game, set, match. IMO... LOL
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 8:49am |
Yes you still rock! Jake and I have been having this ongoing conversation for about 3 years now. I'll do my best to answer those last questions (and yes I am biased)... those other scientists observations and opinions are WRONG. And I do have an explanation for the books. This one I have even successfully had Jake agree with me on, the reason people like Wilkerson title their books "Clownfish(es)" is to make money. People will buy a book called clownfish anyday, but trying selling a book called "Pomacentridae".
I'm not denying that Clownfish is the general term many people use today, I'm just saying that it is improper and incorrect.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 8:51am |
Adam has a very "European" attitude  . I understand that outside of the good 'ol USofA, these fish are classified more to Adam's liking... Perhaps it's our own ethnocentrism that's at play  .
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 9:57am |
Adam, Adam, Adam.... our fearless leader. I find it interesting that in defense of your theory you would say that the more broad use of a common name is now a marketing tool. Wow.... I am shocked. Well, shocked is a bit strong... maybe blah. Yes, I am blah. Not quite blah blah and especially not blah blah blah... but definately blah.
That being said (whatever THAT is), to each his/her own. You have GOT to check out the clownfish show at Texas State Aquarium in Corpus Christi if you're ever down that way. They have an area where you can sit under the tank and watch the clownfish from under the water. It's neat when the clownfish jump up and then land back in the water from that vantage point. I especially liked it when the clownfish would "stand" on their tails and propel themselves backwards. It's amazing how powerful the clownfish's tail is. They are really neat! They had some anemonefish in the inside display tanks too. They were cool, but they didn't have anemones in with them. I was confused what to call them then.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 10:07am |
We were just at ClownLand in San Diego. My daughter especially liked the clown show there. My son was partial to the Belugia clowns. I like the walrus clowns myself...
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 2:38pm |
Come on Adam, come out and play with this post! It was just getting fun! Please?
Jon, you also rock my friend!
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Adam Blundell
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 2:59pm |
Well at Carl's request..... I'm Back! So now what. Let me see if there is anything else to say. I do have a more Euro (or as I think of it "worldly") perspective due to my schooling and colleagues. And yes, marketing of books makes a difference.... in fact some of the guest speakers we had last year let us in on some of the "tricks" to selling books.
By the way did you know that dolphins and whales don't have fins? They have flippers! I sense another long topic of debate ahead, maybe I should just jump out of these conversations.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 3:07pm |
Wait a minute, I know what I should have said.
"For all of you out there who love to discuss things, like we are doing here, where are you after the meetings? You know several of us go out to dinner after the meetings and discuss things just like this. We actually had one meeting where some of us didn't get home until 8am the next morning!!!!"
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 3:23pm |
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Some of us work the next morning Adam. Now if you want to do some all nighters, let's get a Friday meeting going! I ain't a scared!
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 4:08pm |
Carl wrote:
Some of us work the next morning Adam. Now if you want to do some all nighters, let's get a Friday meeting going! I ain't a scared! |
Alright Carl (Adam says while pulling up his sleeves) you've talked the talk, lets see you walk the walk (Adam says with a smirk) the January meeting is on a Friday.... we'll see you after the meeting at dinner (Adam says with a wink). Feel free to bring your whole posse, my motley crew have plenty of room at the table.
A-dawg (a.k.a. Adam)
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 8:34pm |
Call it done! I trust that they have plenty of room for my rowdy friends? Ya'll don't mind a little southern biker trash do ya?
As they say on Mtv... It's on!
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 10:38pm |
Well I'll be a blote reets! (hope it's spelled right  ).
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 11:03pm |
Carl,
You mentioned the Texas State Aquarium in Corpus Christi! I used to live there! When did/do you visit or live there? I was there from '92 to '97. My daughter-in-law in from there and we still got some biker friends there! All ya'll ain't frum Sout Tejas ar ya?
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